Errors vs hits in scoring

[CoachCeetar]

Hitting the ball hard is the measurement the batter should take with them!

gotta couple it with launch angle too, but that tech certainly isn't at most softball fields. So you're left with approximating it with the stats you have.

You can probably guestimate with XBH and BABIP, because those things are somewhat corelated with hitting it hard and slightly elevated. Hitting it hard just above fielders heads is the fastest trajectory to grass and a base hit. But that requires a somewhat uniform Hit/Error schema.

 

[RADcatcher]

gotta couple it with launch angle too, but that tech certainly isn't at most softball fields. So you're left with approximating it with the stats you have.

You can probably guestimate with XBH and BABIP, because those things are somewhat corelated with hitting it hard and slightly elevated. Hitting it hard just above fielders heads is the fastest trajectory to grass and a base hit. But that requires a somewhat uniform Hit/Error schema.

You're still talking about analyzing and computing,
when it can be much simpler than that!

As a batter, The moment we put a crush on the ball is the moment we know we're doing a good job!

 

[CoachCeetar]

You're still talking about analyzing and computing,
when it can be much simpler than that!

As a batter, The moment we put a crush on the ball is the moment we know we're doing a good job!

in that one singular moment. Practically meaningless. What if it was me pitching up there? That's not particularly insightful then.

 

[daywalkerdad]

The person who actually scores the run gets credit. Same goes for everything else that can happen on the bases (stolen base, caught stealing, etc).

It's not true to say they "technically never enter the game." A courtesy runner is officially in the game as a courtesy runner. She gets credited with a game played at that moment. She is now restricted to only running for that position. She's not a ghost. It just is not an official substitution.

I think it depends, if you are batting the lineup. #3 batter courtesy’s for #5. The number 3 is still in the lineup in the #3 spot. I do mot think they are listed in both the #3 and #5 spot.

 

[RADcatcher]

in that one singular moment. Practically meaningless.

Completely opposite of meaningless!

As a batter, The moment we put a crush on the ball is the moment we know we're doing a good job!

As a batter= the player who hit the ball
Doesn't need to rely on what somebody else's opinion might be especially when it can be wrong.

 

[dogpatch]

Batting stats have no useful purpose to anyone beyond the coaching staff. They do show how hitters stack up within a team but beyond internal use within the team they are useless at most levels of the game. Comparing the stats of different players on different teams is comparing apples to oranges. Unless all the players are facing the exact same pitchers, the numbers are meaningless. Outside the major leagues, you will find huge differences in how different scorekeepers keep score. College coaches take no stock in high school or travel ball stats what so ever! They see all they need to see simply by physically watching the athlete hit in camps or competition. The worst thing parents can do is dwell on batting average!!

 

[Lance Steckler]

Game changer will allow you to include ROE into OBP if you wish. right or wrong.

hit versus error - scorer judgment of reasonable effort.

 

[Batman8]

Game changer will allow you to include ROE into OBP if you wish. right or wrong.

hit versus error - scorer judgment of reasonable effort.

FYI Spaulding’s Dudley brand of softballs were designed by a graduate of WPI, a D3 school.
How do I know, he was a HS classmate.
The NCAA Bat Testing Procedure was developed at UMass-Lowell, another D3 school.


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[Rolling Hard]

Game changer will allow you to include ROE into OBP if you wish. right or wrong.

hit versus error - scorer judgment of reasonable effort.

I didn't know that.
Slappers can get the best or worse if it depending on who is scoring. Speed causes anxiety and fielders are rushed and make errors.
Depending on who is scoring a slapper could be hitting .300 or .500. I like the ROE included in OBP.
Coaches can record Quality at Bats (not HC definition).
I good coach will use both stats and his eyes to make the line up. Personally I like players that don't strike out often and can at game speed make adjustments to the pitcher, the ump, the count and compete one pitch at a time. They play the game. These players are usually alert defenders and good base runners too.

 

[CoachJD]

Slappers can get the best or worse if it depending on who is scoring. Speed causes anxiety and fielders are rushed and make errors.
Depending on who is scoring a slapper could be hitting .300 or .500. I like the ROE included in OBP.

For those who keep score, keep a couple things in mind: Scoring rules say a couple things you can apply to these situations. The first is that you must consider what "ordinary effort" is, and that changes based on the level of play. Judgment is involved here, but often times with slappers the plays are require something above ordinary effort. Handling a ball slowly without an actual mechanical misplay is not an error. A fielder choosing to not make a throw is also not an error, even if you think she "could have gotten her."

Many scoring manuals, though maybe not all, also specifically state that benefit of the doubt should go to the hitter.

That means if you have to think about it too much, just give a hit. Quit trying to look for errors. (This is different from watching the play again to make sure you saw it correctly before making a final decision)

tl;dr version - Those slappers are likely hitting closer to .500 than .300 if the scorekeeper is doing it right. A player being super fast and hitting/bunting a ball into a difficult spot means the play will require something above "ordinary effort" to get the out. If the defense can't get the out, it's a hit. The actions of the batter (her ball placement and speed) created the environment that made it more difficult to get the out. Why wouldn't you reward her for that?