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May 24, 2013
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I get that...but a secret first look for 6YOA dedicated players seems a little over the top.

How is a coach expected to win the 6U league championship if he can't stack his team? You don't expect the coach to actually teach new skills, do you??
 
Mar 4, 2015
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Or if
People can realize that softball is a sport and separate that drama is something people drag around with them everywhere...

Playing games is in my opinion a critical part of developing as a softball player.
Would agree that playing good doubleheaders a lot frequently instead of going and traveling to a tournament is beneficial. However tournaments have a place in competition against variety.

Agree, playing games is critical.

I'm just saying that softball player development is inefficient. I don't know the solution exactly. But the most valuable skill/ability that most players can have is hitting pitchers trying to get them out. That's their meal ticket. Then consider how little time softball players actually spend doing that very thing. And consider how much idle time occurs during games and tournaments, starting and ending with long car rides. Besides baseball, there's probably not another sport where so little time is spent doing the most important thing.
 
May 24, 2013
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Agree, playing games is critical.

I'm just saying that softball player development is inefficient. I don't know the solution exactly. But the most valuable skill/ability that most players can have is hitting pitchers trying to get them out. That's their meal ticket. Then consider how little time softball players actually spend doing that very thing. And consider how much idle time occurs during games and tournaments, starting and ending with long car rides. Besides baseball, there's probably not another sport where so little time is spent doing the most important thing.

My DD has spent more time working on the skill of hitting than she has worked on any other individual skill, and has spent more time working with her hitting instructor than any other individual instructor. Not surprisingly, she's a pretty decent hitter. I can understand that this equation might look different for pitchers.

A couple of years ago, my DD's HS coach spent almost zero practice time having the team work on hitting in any manner. I asked him about this (he's also a long-time friend who often came to me for my input/opinion on team matters). He stated that he wanted to focus on defense so the team could limit the runs scored against them as a way to win ball games. I reminded him that half the game is spent on offense, trying to perform the single hardest skill in sports, and if you can't score any runs, it really doesn't matter how good your defense is. He saw the light, and adjusted his attitude. New coaches this year. We shall see how it goes.
 
Mar 4, 2015
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What you describe are called "friendlies". Typically, teams play 3-4 games (80-90min ea). I suppose this varies with what part of the country you live in, but in So Cal, pretty much every weekend, you can find a friendly event to play in within an hour drive. While these are important for developing in-game skills, learning to handle the pressure of games that matter for something is also part of developing as a player.

Friendlies are additional opportunities to spend 2 hours of travel and wait time to get 2 at-bats. :)

I'm not saying players shouldn't play games. I just used the Williams sisters to suggest that perhaps they aren't as important as we think. Of course, tennis is different. It's easy to get pickup matches, and tennis matches are far more beneficial to the players' development than softball or baseball games.

However, as my theory applies to softball, I'm not sure it wouldn't benefit a travel player to cut her tournaments in half if she could triple the number of competitive at-bats she got. Imagine if there were an event at a local park every Tuesday where you have 10 pitchers and 20 hitters, maybe 2-3 fields, and every hitter was guaranteed 10 at-bats in 2 hours. And every pitcher got to face 20 hitters, the equivalent of one game. There are no fielders, no base-runners, keep it moving. It's all about hitting and pitching. Compare the efficiency of that to playing a 2-day tournament for 10 at-bats.
 
Mar 4, 2015
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New England
My DD has spent more time working on the skill of hitting than she has worked on any other individual skill, and has spent more time working with her hitting instructor than any other individual instructor. Not surprisingly, she's a pretty decent hitter. I can understand that this equation might look different for pitchers.

Compare the amount of time that your DD spends taking front toss or hitting off a tee to the amount she spends actually trying to hit a live pitcher. For the most part, that ratio is determined by the way travel ball is set up. (That's when comparing your DD to others with the same work ethic and opportunity to practice.)

My argument is that if you change that ratio, putting more time into live hitting, that she'd be an even better hitter. I fact, if not for all the wasted time in tournaments, she'd probably have time to do as much front toss and tee work as she's already doing and simply add to her live hitting, trading that for time sitting in a car or dugout. But the way travel ball is set up, there's only so much live hitting she can get. If she could get more, I think she'd do even better going that route. The ratio is pre-set. It is what it is. But if I could change that, I would. Tennis players, for example, also take what might be called front toss, but they spend far more time hitting the ball in situations that are very similar to a real match. They do this because they can. Softball players can't really do that, not the way things are set up, and because it's a slow-moving team sport. But if there were a way to make it happen, a paradigm shift as it were, I believe that hitters would develop more quickly. Tennis players, IMO, are more impressive ball strikers at the higher levels than softball players, and I think this is part of the reason.
 
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Oct 14, 2019
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It does seem crazy that pitchers are working on their craft all the time without live hitters and hitters are working on their craft without live pitching.
 

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Agree, playing games is critical.

I'm just saying that softball player development is inefficient. I don't know the solution exactly. But the most valuable skill/ability that most players can have is hitting pitchers trying to get them out. That's their meal ticket. Then consider how little time softball players actually spend doing that very thing. And consider how much idle time occurs during games and tournaments, starting and ending with long car rides. Besides baseball, there's probably not another sport where so little time is spent doing the most important thing.
Have always and continue to advocate for live hitting at practice!

Truly helps batters learn to read pitchers mechanics. Especially when we can designate what the pitcher is throwing and the batters can learn what that specific mechanic looks like.
And what details visually become familiar for better reaction time.
 
May 15, 2008
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It does seem crazy that pitchers are working on their craft all the time without live hitters and hitters are working on their craft without live pitching.
There are leagues starting up using Rapsodo and other tech. One around here had live pitching with a pitcher and two hitters as a team. It was during the height of Covid and the players that I knew who were interested did not participate.
 
May 24, 2013
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So Cal
Friendlies are additional opportunities to spend 2 hours of travel and wait time to get 2 at-bats. :)

I'm not saying players shouldn't play games. I just used the Williams sisters to suggest that perhaps they aren't as important as we think. Of course, tennis is different. It's easy to get pickup matches, and tennis matches are far more beneficial to the players' development than softball or baseball games.

However, as my theory applies to softball, I'm not sure it wouldn't benefit a travel player to cut her tournaments in half if she could triple the number of competitive at-bats she got. Imagine if there were an event at a local park every Tuesday where you have 10 pitchers and 20 hitters, maybe 2-3 fields, and every hitter was guaranteed 10 at-bats in 2 hours. And every pitcher got to face 20 hitters, the equivalent of one game. There are no fielders, no base-runners, keep it moving. It's all about hitting and pitching. Compare the efficiency of that to playing a 2-day tournament for 10 at-bats.

So, you want to just scrap the game, and have pitcher-hitter duels. Forget about the development of throwing, fielding, base-running, teamwork, and all the other things that happen while playing actual games.
 

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