Fielders choice or hit?

[radness]

Could also see what looks like after catcher gave pitch sign...SS adjusted toward mid field a few steps.
Perhaps that adjustment and where the pitch location actually went attributed to how defense played this.

 

[BigSkyHi]

Could also see what looks like after catcher gave pitch sign...SS adjusted toward mid field a few steps.
Perhaps that adjustment and where the pitch location actually went attributed to how defense played this.

Had same observation but ended up wondering if that was her normal setup routine. Also ended up wondering if the SS was a pickup player and 2nd had never had a ball thrown to her before on a ground ball in the 5-6 hole.

 

[625ender]

Agreed.

The runner at second was called safe. So batter is awarded a hit.

The out has nothing to do with it

 

[wheresmycar]

Could also see what looks like after catcher gave pitch sign...SS adjusted toward mid field a few steps.
Perhaps that adjustment and where the pitch location actually went attributed to how defense played this.

SS was cheating over to cover 2nd on the steal... not adjusting to pitch call.

In the heat of the game, I'm probably scoring this an E6. Given the luxury of watching it on YouTube 5 or 6 times, maybe I score it a FC.

 

[canyonjoe]

If you want to score correctly there is no change there is an error on the play. If you believe that it's normal effort for a SS to throw to 1st from her knees you can score it a FC if not it's a hit.

Scoring often isn't fair. You can hit a popup that both OF should catch but both pull of an get a double. The next time you can hit one off the fence but have the kids from 1st trip and get thrown out at 2nd and it's a FC.

I've always felt there should be team errors built into scoring but there isn't yet.

 

[radness]

SS was cheating over to cover 2nd on the steal... not adjusting to pitch call.

In the heat of the game, I'm probably scoring this an E6. Given the luxury of watching it on YouTube 5 or 6 times, maybe I score it a FC.

Maybe 2nd base should have cheated toward 2nd for a possible play there?

General question
Do people usually score slipping into an error?
SS made the play.
2nd base was late.

If we look at where the batter is when ball reaches SS there could have been a play at first. Slipping or not.
Which could have resulted either an out or base hit beating throw.
But in this case the baserunner beat the 2ndbase person to the base/play.

My coaching from this video would be.
The 2nd base person needs to get there quicker!
There was no sprint mode.
The runner not sliding is indication to that.

 

[wheresmycar]

if you believe that it's normal effort for a SS to throw to 1st from her knees you can score it a FC if not it's a hit.

Throwing from knees is not "ordinary effort", but I don't think she had to go to her knees to field that ball. The batter was barely out of box when SS first touched ball. I wouldn't have problem with FC or E6, but no way that's a hit.

 

[canyonjoe]

Throwing from knees is not "ordinary effort", but I don't think she had to go to her knees to field that ball. The batter was barely out of box when SS first touched ball. I wouldn't have problem with FC or E6, but no way that's a hit.

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Except she did go to her knees in the process of fielding which may be a mistake but it's not an error. Not all hits are line drives in the gap

 

[625ender]

6 was looking at 2 the whole time. She was out if 4 would've shown up to the party on time

 

[wheresmycar]

Except she did go to her knees in the process of fielding which may be a mistake but it's not an error. Not all hits are line drives in the gap

Then it's a FC. No way it's a hit.