Batters Box

[jackfrost]

After the ball is hit, and they have not touched the ball, they are no longer a 'batter', but a 'batter-runner'. In the scenario, then the ball isn't doing the touching, the runner is.
[I'm not an ump]

That was the correct interpretation. Maybe you should become an ump.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

After the ball is hit, and they have not touched the ball, they are no longer a 'batter', but a 'batter-runner'. In the scenario, then the ball isn't doing the touching, the runner is.
[I'm not an ump]

But if they touch the ball while in the batters box, the ball is foul and so they haven't become a batter runner. You simply can't have them become a batter runner while still in the batters box and have them contact the ball and be out. The rules don't say that. They don't become a batter runner until the ball is fair and the ball isn't fair if it hits a batter while she is still in the box.... according to the rules.
Applying your theory, a ground ball that is hit and is in fair territory is a fair ball, even though is goes foul prior to passing third base. Wrong...It's not fair until it passes third in fair territory or is touched. Same timing applies. Can't be fair if it eventually goes foul before passing the bag... and can't become a batter runner until the ball is fair ....can't be fair if it eventually hits the batter while in the batters box.

 

[efastball]

But if they touch the ball while in the batters box, the ball is foul and so they haven't become a batter runner.

As I explained, they became a batter runner before they touched the ball.

"They don't become a batter runner until the ball is fair "
In the scenario, the ball is fair, since part of the batter's box is in fair territory. (see pic below, everything forward of the dotted line is fair)

 

[MTR]

But if they touch the ball while in the batters box, the ball is foul and so they haven't become a batter runner. You simply can't have them become a batter runner while still in the batters box and have them contact the ball and be out. The rules don't say that. They don't become a batter runner until the ball is fair and the ball isn't fair if it hits a batter while she is still in the box.... according to the rules.
Applying your theory, a ground ball that is hit and is in fair territory is a fair ball, even though is goes foul prior to passing third base. Wrong...It's not fair until it passes third in fair territory or is touched. Same timing applies. Can't be fair if it eventually goes foul before passing the bag... and can't become a batter runner until the ball is fair ....can't be fair if it eventually hits the batter while in the batters box.

Actually, USA 1.FAIR BALL.C defines this as a fair ball. 8.1.A defines this as the batter becoming a batter-runner. 1.FOUL BALL.F addresses a "batter", not a batter-runner. Somewhat of a conundrum, don't you think?
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[Comp]

But if they touch the ball while in the batters box, the ball is foul and so they haven't become a batter runner. You simply can't have them become a batter runner while still in the batters box and have them contact the ball and be out. The rules don't say that. They don't become a batter runner until the ball is fair and the ball isn't fair if it hits a batter while she is still in the box.... according to the rules.
Applying your theory, a ground ball that is hit and is in fair territory is a fair ball, even though is goes foul prior to passing third base. Wrong...It's not fair until it passes third in fair territory or is touched. Same timing applies. Can't be fair if it eventually goes foul before passing the bag... and can't become a batter runner until the ball is fair ....can't be fair if it eventually hits the batter while in the batters box.

One more time, you are not separating 2 completely different aspects of the rule. You have a batted ball that either initially hits the batter or comes right back off the ground and hits the batter or bat or you have a fair batted ball that has not made contact with the batter but is in fair territory and it is the batter/runner that initiates the contact with the ball.

In the first situation, yes, the batter is protected and it is simply a foul ball. In the second situation you have a ball on or over fair territory and the batter/runner is the one that makes contact with the batted ball. In the latter situation, no the batter/runner is not protected regardless of being in the batters box. The rule is separated into 2 completely different sections, batter and a different section for batter/runners.

And when an infraction occurs, the fair/foul status is determined by the balls position at the time of the infraction. So no the ball does not have to ultimately come to rest in fair territory or pass 1st or 3rd in order to be ruled a fair ball.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

One more time, you are not separating 2 completely different aspects of the rule. You have a batted ball that either initially hits the batter or comes right back off the ground and hits the batter or bat or you have a fair batted ball that has not made contact with the batter but is in fair territory and it is the batter/runner that initiates the contact with the ball.

In the first situation, yes, the batter is protected and it is simply a foul ball. In the second situation you have a ball on or over fair territory and the batter/runner is the one that makes contact with the batted ball. In the latter situation, no the batter/runner is not protected regardless of being in the batters box. The rule is separated into 2 completely different sections, batter and a different section for batter/runners.

And when an infraction occurs, the fair/foul status is determined by the balls position at the time of the infraction. So no the ball does not have to ultimately come to rest in fair territory or pass 1st or 3rd in order to be ruled a fair ball.

Please cite the rule and the NFHS interpretation of the rule.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

One more time, you are not separating 2 completely different aspects of the rule. You have a batted ball that either initially hits the batter or comes right back off the ground and hits the batter or bat or you have a fair batted ball that has not made contact with the batter but is in fair territory and it is the batter/runner that initiates the contact with the ball.

In the first situation, yes, the batter is protected and it is simply a foul ball. In the second situation you have a ball on or over fair territory and the batter/runner is the one that makes contact with the batted ball. In the latter situation, no the batter/runner is not protected regardless of being in the batters box. The rule is separated into 2 completely different sections, batter and a different section for batter/runners.

And when an infraction occurs, the fair/foul status is determined by the balls position at the time of the infraction. So no the ball does not have to ultimately come to rest in fair territory or pass 1st or 3rd in order to be ruled a fair ball.

My analogy was.... the same as a ground ball is not determined fair because it is in fair territory and is only ruled fair once it passes 1st or 3rd in fair territory or is touched by a fielder in fair territory, .....the batter doesn't become a batter runner until they hit a fair ball and the ball isn't fair if it touches the batter in the batters box.....as specifically stated by the rules. Not an interpretation.

 

[Comp]

I'm done, you obviously have no intention of learning the correct application of the rule.

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[Comp]

Please cite the rule and the NFHS interpretation of the rule.

I did cite the rule in this thread, the batter runner is out when they make contact with a fair batted ball before reaching first base.

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[Bobby Shirer]

As I explained, they became a batter runner before they touched the ball.

"They don't become a batter runner until the ball is fair "
In the scenario, the ball is fair, since part of the batter's box is in fair territory. (see pic below, everything forward of the dotted line is fair)

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Yes the ball is in fair territory but it becomes foul if it touches the batter while they are in the batters box. They don't become a batter runner on a foul ball. The ball isn't fair just because it is in fair territory