Teaching hitting Carrier/Bustos approach

Towny9 said:

I’m starting to think you are trolling me.

You said that on a charged ball you should never field the ball between the legs. I showed an example of a time it was fielded in the center of the body and a time it was fielded on the arm side. I never addressed whether it was fielded one hand or two handed or really the original video at all other than to say her arm action was actually pretty good (with no regard to the type of throw).

I don’t care for the original video posted either, but I only addressed the comment about fielding off the glove side being the only way to field a slow roller.

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I'm not trolling you. This is EXACTLY what I said:

"That being said, there's a couple things that I would teach differently. Since he's teaching the huge step, I assume this is an outfield throw. For OF, field the ball outside of your glove leg. Regarding arm path, there's not enough scap retraction, I like a more "W" position for the arms and body if viewed from above.."

I said this because the fielding and throwing demonstrated in the video shows OUTFIELD techniques, but as I originally indicated, I thought that the player didn't exhibit a high level arm path for the OUTFIELD. You are not going to see an arm path like this in a book like High Level Throwing which I bought and believe that it is well respected here and everywhere in the softball and (to a lesser degree) baseball world.

When the OP clarified that this is for an infielder, well that opens up a whole 'nother can of worms. I don't like that arm path for an INFIELDER either.

12yo's can play to a crazy high level. My DD was lucky enough to be coached by heavy hitters in the softball world, they held their teams to high level techniques. I feel it's better to teach them right the first time, even if it is more difficult in the short term.

I feel like my replies could easily be misinterpreted as me picking on the player and the coach, so I will politely slink out of this thread. I applaud any effort to teach these kids the game, whether it aligns with my opinions or not.

Rolling Hard said:

front shoulder higher than rear shoulder at launch????

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Yes a adjustment we work on here and there. I have a huge mirror in my shop I take her in there have her go to toe touch so she can make the adjustment to have front shoulder a bit lower out to toe touch...

The reason for teaching throwing first is If they separate and take the ball behind their head, they will hit like that. Also fixing future arm pain problems. Like most catchers I get are taught a short snap throw. They also have no arm separation hand to back hip when they hit. My goal is not mess with how they are taught to throw when they catch, but throw more like an outfielder, so they stretch when they hit. If you don't fix the throwing, you chase the tail when hitting. JMO


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I tell my hitters that the throw they work on is more like an outfield throw. Its more about the stretch straight back. I also tell them a hard shot to them will be fielded with both hands. Some throws will be side armed ect. The straight back stretch is more for the hitting and learning to throw with velocity along with the glove tuck....


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straightleg said:

One of her 62 home runs...

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Just looking through this thread. All your hitters so far have large hand movement back. You teach separation which makes it worse. 62 home runs uh, that is some mediocre pitching she is facing in that swing. So the hand movement and separation works because if this is the pitching she is facing.

I’ll continue to look through the thread.

Shawn said:

Just looking through this thread. All your hitters so far have large hand movement back. You teach separation which makes it worse. 62 home runs uh, that is some mediocre pitching she is facing in that swing. So the hand movement and separation works because if this is the pitching she is facing.

I’ll continue to look through the thread.

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Shawn, what evidence do you have from that video that the pitching is mediocre? What evidence do you have that 62 home runs were against mediocre hitting? So, now separation is a bad thing?

Cannonball said:

Shawn, what evidence do you have from that video that the pitching is mediocre? What evidence do you have that 62 home runs were against mediocre hitting? So, now separation is a bad thing?

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Separation is disconnection, it’s not separation. It’s one thing, stretch. Edgar Martinez teaches separation between the hands and stride. He didn’t last very long as a hitting coach.

I don’t know if she only faced mediocre pitching. I do know that with that much hand/arm movement, instead of using the back which moves the hands in space will cause issues with pitchers with speed and breaking pitches.

Come on man, it’s pretty obvious that she is a mediocre pitcher. That’s not even questionable.

Shawn said:

, it’s pretty obvious that she is a mediocre pitcher. That’s not even questionable.

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Trying to evaluate a hitter while looking at them facing mediocre pitching is in the same context as trying to evaluate a hitter during soft toss. Which can be different than the hitter facing a live competitive pitcher.

Assessments are generally better made against challenge.

Shawn said:

Separation is disconnection, it’s not separation. It’s one thing, stretch. Edgar Martinez teaches separation between the hands and stride. He didn’t last very long as a hitting coach.

I don’t know if she only faced mediocre pitching. I do know that with that much hand/arm movement, instead of using the back which moves the hands in space will cause issues with pitchers with speed and breaking pitches.

Come on man, it’s pretty obvious that she is a mediocre pitcher. That’s not even questionable.

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What do you mean when you say “separation is disconnection, it’s not separation”?

Bob Ullman8 said:

What do you mean when you say “separation is disconnection, it’s not separation”?

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I heard a good analogy yesterday, you want to burst. The stretch and loading should turn into the swing. To continue to stretch to create the burst, just like a balloon bursting, you continue to fill the balloon with air until it bursts. You don’t stop filling the balloon with air or stop and restart.





It’s one thing, it’s not about the pieces. The entire body is used.