Free 1 base or 2 bases... not sure if such ruling exist

[quincy]

The runners are awarded 2 bases from time of pitch, so the batter should have ended up on 2nd.

 

[BretMan]

If the fielder provided the impetus for the ball going out of play, when it would not have otherwise gone out on it's own, then award two bases from the runner's position at the time the ball was touched by the fielder.

Where was the runner when the fielder touched the ball?

 

[MTR]

If the fielder provided the impetus for the ball going out of play, when it would not have otherwise gone out on it's own, then award two bases from the runner's position at the time the ball was touched by the fielder.

Where was the runner when the fielder touched the ball?

Just a clarification here. When "impetus" is referred to in this ruling, it doesn't mean a change of direction. It means the fielder's action actually propelled the ball out of play. Deflecting off the fielder is nothing more than that.

But the award in the OP is as noted, 2 from pitch.

 

[honus14]

I believe they are awarded the base they are advancing to, plus the next, like quincy said.

The rule as I understand it, regardless of who throws it, is the runner gets the base they are advancing to, plus the next one. The base they are advancing to is at the time of the throw, which can always cause much drama!

The rule as I understand it has always been one from the mound and two from the field. So if it goes out of play on a pitched ball they only get the base they are going to. From anywhere in the field they get the one they are going to plus an additional base.

This is a misleading way to state the rule. The award is two bases, not "the base they are going to plus one."

Example: Runner on first, fly ball to left. The runner goes halfway, and the ball is caught for an out in left field. The runner heads back toward first, and the LF throws the ball out of play. What's the award? Third base. Saying "the base they are going to plus one" can lead some people to think the runner should be awarded first (because that's the way she's headed) plus second.

 

[amanda_cake]

If the fielder provided the impetus for the ball going out of play, when it would not have otherwise gone out on it's own, then award two bases from the runner's position at the time the ball was touched by the fielder.

Where was the runner when the fielder touched the ball?

In the situation that I posted, the runner was headed to first when the fielder touched the ball.

 

[Zul77]

Sounds like a lot of folks are mixing in different baseball rules- and a couple of rule myths- to come up with something that doesn't resemble the softball rules!

My first question would be...What rule set are you using? This could affect the answer.

While most versions of softball (ASA, high school, college) award two bases on a ball thrown out of play (from the runner's position when the ball left the fielder's hand, regardless of the direction the runner is heading) and make no distinction between a throw from the infield or outfield, there are those rule sets that do it differently.

If I remember, Zul77 is involved with softball somewhere overseas and their rule might be a little different!

Your're right BretMan, I'm from Malaysia. Actually we don't have our own set of rule. We totally using ISF rule in our games. Maybe the umpire had mixed up with baseball rule or got himself confused with the rule. Thanks for your explanation guys.

 

[Lozza]

zul77 I play under ISF rules (well under Softball Australia, but same thing) From how I've always understood it, it's based on the time of the throw. Not from when the fielder touched the ball.