Defining when the umpire crosses the umpiring line

[Bullseye]

fixed by preventive umpiring.

One of the reasons for using the C to deliver the message rather than going out to the P, which, as you pointed out would get the HC involved, if precisely to avoid that happening. If HC A comes out, then HC B wants to know why or is bright enough to figure out regrdless depending on how 'close' a foot drag/leap was to an actual violation. Then HC B wonders why I didn't just call it (I didn't because I am not 100% sure it happened yet) or will wonder why his P didn't get a warning when she elevates 6 inches on a pitch later in the game and I call it right away.
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Read this thread again to find who wrote preventitive umpiring.
Would you explain yourself as will admit have not heard of that.

I do take issue with your explaination to hand your responsibility over to the catcher. Particularly being the umpire excuse is they are not 100% sure what they are seeing. Will admit took a harder look at this as a parent of a pitcher. Appears the underlying fault in this plan comes from the uncertainty of the umpire. Doesnt make any sense to say anything at all if you are not sure yourself.

The other point take issue with is your hesitance to not want to include the coach. The coach has the responsibilty to oversee the players. The coach should be included if the umpire is applicating the rules.

 

[black17]

There is a lot of trust between a catcher and the umpire. There are certainly limits, but in my opinion, the catcher needs to absolutely be the 'diplomat'. That relationship is 'A1 critical' even if it is sketchy sometimes. Good catchers know how or need to learn how to work thru it.

Now the specific example shown about the back foot, hmm, I'd tell the coach before I'd tell the pitcher. Let them work out the details with the ump.

 

[radness]

Will add this

Cant recall a single time catching where an umpire talked to me about talking to the pitcher about their mechanics (foot drag included). Generally notice umpires will chit chat with the pitcher or coach in between innings. Or just call illegal pitch if needed.

They have commented generally on pitch locations.
An occaisional that was a good play on the field.
Once in a great while comment about an obnoxious coach in the other dugout.

And there are a few would completely ignor.
Because of their
'Game commentary'.
Have heard blues comment to infielders about fielding.
Saying
'you should have'...to players.
Which NEVER was taken well by players.
Or blues telling infielders to move to the side a few steps for the umpire to stand view un-obstructed.
Which again infielders would ignor because that aint happening.

Oddly awkward things happen that cross the line,
Thankfully rarely.

 

[radness]

There is a lot of trust between a catcher and the umpire. There are certainly limits, but in my opinion, the catcher needs to absolutely be the 'diplomat'. That relationship is 'A1 critical' even if it is sketchy sometimes. Good catchers know how or need to learn how to work thru it.

Now the specific example shown about the back foot, hmm, I'd tell the coach before I'd tell the pitcher. Let them work out the details with the ump.

Like your comment about diplomat, and good catcher working through it.
Take that to mean
*The catcher would then need to use their own best judgement what to do.
*instead of not think and just be the messenger.

That post to me describes
Better verbiage than my post points regarding the outcome the umpire is hoping for may not have the end result they were intending!

Simply not all players/catchers/coaches are going to translate the situation the same as an umpire may intend.
As i commented.
Can break open a can of worms.

imo putting the catcher in that situation
*When it doesnt have to happen.
*Doesnt need to happen!

 

[gdc03120]

I like the post earlier that limited umpire/catcher discussion to basic greetings and pre-game discussion. When I'm behind the plate for a game, I go to the catcher in the top/bottom of the first, say something to the equivalent of, "Good X, catcher, how are you?" "I'm doing great. Alright, I'm going to set up for a couple of pitches to get my footing, then I'll let you take the rest - 5 pitches, then send it down, 3 during the other innings, okay?" Then I don't say much else to the catcher UNLESS a.) They ask me, "Where was that?" and I give them a direct answer (in, out, down, up), b.) They ask for time, or c.) They ask for a check on a swing, etc.

I can be easily approached to discuss whatever is appropriate to the setting/game without requiring a War and Peace discussion. Keep it short and simple, diplomatic and courteous, and it makes the relationship in the game a much better one.