Teaching hitting Carrier/Bustos approach

All really good infielders. The girl got voted golden glove by the league coach's... third baseman, plays in college same position. All infielders using throwing arm for balance. And puts there throwing arm in a good height to throw down hill.

SL

Imalt said:

She is an infielder 3b/SS, she plays on the same team as my daughter. She's a very good infielder. I don't know anything about throwing mechanics, so I will leave that for you guys to discuss.

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I know you play mostly PGF tournaments, how does this girl hit on your daughters' team...

SL

The great thing about this place is you can choose how to coach kids anyway that you see fit.. Same for me. However, I do have some observations regarding the video that (IMO) contradict normal game scenarios, especially in light of discovering that she is an infielder and this is an infielder drill.

You posted a video where the athlete is (simulated) charging a ball and throwing straight forward and inline with the charging. This generally only happens from the outfield positions, that is why I commented as such previously. It could happen with infielders on weak hit grounders with plays at the plate, but these are very rare occurrences, but more on that later.

On any charged ball, the fielder (again disclaimer, IMO and you teach it how you feel necessary) should never field the ball in between the legs, it is always outside of the lower legs. True for glove side and backhand. You posted pictures and in every picture the fielder is fielding the ball outside of the legs. Second point, when IF charge a ball they will almost always be throwing to first. If they charge a ball and throw to 1B, they will utilize a different arm slot to throw. They will not stand directly upright and throw upright, which is what the video that you provided shows.

The TL/DR version:

looked like an OF drill and throw, I commented that there's more in the tank for an OF throw.
now that it's established an IF drill, field the ball outside of legs and teach a different arm slot throwing motion

Again, these are just my opinions. Good day sir!

Towny9 said:

The body seeks equal and opposite. I think the lack of scab retraction you see on the throwing side is a direct result of the glove action on the front side. On the positive, her arm Action is missing most of the major flaws I see in young girls throwing. Great place to start from.

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Why don't we start with proper overall throwing mechanics and not just be satisfied they aren't pushing the ball. 12U, 3rd year, should be better, IMO.
The crow hopping infield drill is beyond comprehension. SMH.
The crow hop for outfielders has been around forever but smarter coaches are starting to rethink this technique because even when done correctly (often not/extra steps)as the fielder is gaining ground the runner is gaining MORE ground and the thrown ball travels twice as fast as both players combined. STOP RUNNING WITH THE BALL.#

straightleg said:

I know you play mostly PGF tournaments, how does this girl hit on your daughters' team...

SL

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She's OK

straightleg said:

This is an 8th grader. Been with me over 3 years. She has gone yard 7-9 times playing pretty high level travel ball. I like her bat speed and how she gets off the backside.

SL

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front shoulder higher than rear shoulder at launch????

Rolling Hard said:

Why don't we start with proper overall throwing mechanics and not just be satisfied they aren't pushing the ball. 12U, 3rd year, should be better, IMO.
The crow hopping infield drill is beyond comprehension. SMH.
The crow hop for outfielders has been around forever but smarter coaches are starting to rethink this technique because even when done correctly (often not/extra steps)as the fielder is gaining ground the runner is gaining MORE ground and the thrown ball travels twice as fast as both players combined. STOP RUNNING WITH THE BALL.#

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I won’t argue with you on the footwork. I never once addressed her footwork I just said the arm action is pretty good. If she is accurate and her arm is strong & healthy I wouldn’t address it with this girl. I think a little more active glove side would complement the arm side well.

erniekru said:

The great thing about this place is you can choose how to coach kids anyway that you see fit.. Same for me. However, I do have some observations regarding the video that (IMO) contradict normal game scenarios, especially in light of discovering that she is an infielder and this is an infielder drill.

You posted a video where the athlete is (simulated) charging a ball and throwing straight forward and inline with the charging. This generally only happens from the outfield positions, that is why I commented as such previously. It could happen with infielders on weak hit grounders with plays at the plate, but these are very rare occurrences, but more on that later.

On any charged ball, the fielder (again disclaimer, IMO and you teach it how you feel necessary) should never field the ball in between the legs, it is always outside of the lower legs. True for glove side and backhand. You posted pictures and in every picture the fielder is fielding the ball outside of the legs. Second point, when IF charge a ball they will almost always be throwing to first. If they charge a ball and throw to 1B, they will utilize a different arm slot to throw. They will not stand directly upright and throw upright, which is what the video that you provided shows.

The TL/DR version:

looked like an OF drill and throw, I commented that there's more in the tank for an OF throw.
now that it's established an IF drill, field the ball outside of legs and teach a different arm slot throwing motion

Again, these are just my opinions. Good day sir!

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There is definitely a time to field the ball two handed, on the run, in between the legs. Even off the right leg at times.

Towny9 said:

There is definitely a time to field the ball two handed, on the run, in between the legs. Even off the right leg at times.

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Clip 1, Jeter is playing SS, and I have no idea where the 3B who should've fielded this ball is, but he is charging the ball basically running directly away from 1B. There was NO WAY to get around the ball, so he got to the best position he could while throwing on the run. Bang-Bang play.

Clip 2, he actually fields the ball outside his throwing arm leg. Look at it, it's right there if you pause it at the moment he fields it. Another Bang-Bang play.

Both of these clips were extremely soft hit choppers, almost on the verge of being base hits. Did you notice that they both fielded the ball with the throwing hand and glove together?? And the arm slot used, very different than the arms spread wide apart, field the ball, stand straight up and use a traditional OF arm path.

If you like teaching players to run with the glove in between your feet on these plays, then go ahead. Same with arm path on IF throws. I'm not picking on the athlete, I'm just firmly in the camp of not liking *this* (well the video posted above) particular drill as being good for IF practice.

Both of these examples highlight why big leaguers are the best at what they do and can work magic on a single play. Just because a big leaguer can turn a behind the back glove flip double play, do you teach that?

erniekru said:

Clip 1, Jeter is playing SS, and I have no idea where the 3B who should've fielded this ball is, but he is charging the ball basically running directly away from 1B. There was NO WAY to get around the ball, so he got to the best position he could while throwing on the run. Bang-Bang play.

Clip 2, he actually fields the ball outside his throwing arm leg. Look at it, it's right there if you pause it at the moment he fields it. Another Bang-Bang play.

Both of these clips were extremely soft hit choppers, almost on the verge of being base hits. Did you notice that they both fielded the ball with the throwing hand and glove together?? And the arm slot used, very different than the arms spread wide apart, field the ball, stand straight up and use a traditional OF arm path.

If you like teaching players to run with the glove in between your feet on these plays, then go ahead. Same with arm path on IF throws. I'm not picking on the athlete, I'm just firmly in the camp of not liking *this* (well the video posted above) particular drill as being good for IF practice.

Both of these examples highlight why big leaguers are the best at what they do and can work magic on a single play. Just because a big leaguer can turn a behind the back glove flip double play, do you teach that?

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I’m starting to think you are trolling me.

You said that on a charged ball you should never field the ball between the legs. I showed an example of a time it was fielded in the center of the body and a time it was fielded on the arm side. I never addressed whether it was fielded one hand or two handed or really the original video at all other than to say her arm action was actually pretty good (with no regard to the type of throw).

I don’t care for the original video posted either, but I only addressed the comment about fielding off the glove side being the only way to field a slow roller.