Swinging down

[clemenslee1]

its resistance to set up leverage and then it’s a release or push into the back hip which pushes the front hip open against the obliques being stretched backwards. which pulls the torso and hands forward. @Shawn mentioned it pages back. Lower open while upper is opposite. Or FYB if you like.

watch the back knee in relation to the front hip. When one releases/pushes the other opens while the hands are still back. For me it’s a release. Others might feel something different. That’s subjective. But if you get the sequence right, you will feel the stretch along w the reflex. Did that answer your question?

look at the difference. Much different. One is horizontal and the other is vertical. One is together and the other is sequential.

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Edit: you can actually argue that TMs hands are first.

"@Shawn mentioned it pages back. Lower open while upper is opposite. Or FYB if you like.

watch the back knee in relation to the front hip. When one releases/pushes the other opens while the hands are still back. For me it’s a release. Others might feel something different. That’s subjective."

Im not trying to be dense, so bear with me LOL

I'm not in disagreement with the bold above. I was just questioning if its "pushing" (Assuming the rear knee is what is pushing against the rear hip) as a active Push in your view or if it was a result. It seems that you are saying its not a action but result. If so what is the mechanism that activates it to happen in the sequence?

Yes, TM is all at once together or even hands first. I could care less about any of that. LOL

 

[Work=wins]

It’s plain and simple. If the weight is back. The swing will be spinny. You can’t get around it. Actually you can only get around it. If it’s spinny, there’s no separation/disassociation. There’s no shift so you gotta conjure up force from somewhere. That’s horizontal for TM. And TTB. With everything we do in sports there a shift. That is TMs fatal flaw. And it seems all his students don’t follow his main concept. They all seem to shift to make the rest of the swing work. Just my observations.

 

[_MIA_]

It’s plain and simple. If the weight is back. The swing will be spinny. You can’t get around it. Actually you can only get around it. If it’s spinny, there’s no separation/disassociation. There’s no shift so you gotta conjure up force from somewhere. That’s horizontal for TM. And TTB. With everything we do in sports there a shift. That is TMs fatal flaw. And it seems all his students don’t follow his main concept. They all seem to shift to make the rest of the swing work. Just my observations.

What exactly is it that TM teaches that keeps one from getting the COG forward before swinging? I agree HE doesn't..

 

[clemenslee1]

It’s plain and simple. If the weight is back. The swing will be spinny. You can’t get around it. Actually you can only get around it. If it’s spinny, there’s no separation/disassociation. There’s no shift so you gotta conjure up force from somewhere. That’s horizontal for TM. And TTB. With everything we do in sports there a shift. That is TMs fatal flaw. And it seems all his students don’t follow his main concept. They all seem to shift to make the rest of the swing work. Just my observations.

I still don't know why you are bringing up anything about TM or TTB. I never asked anything related to him or what he promotes. You posted a clip and and talked about the knee getting through. Whether that is push or release. What have you. You seems to suggest its a result of sequence. That's fine. I simply asked what causes it be initiated in sequence. Then you brought up all the above. Which seems to state that it the result of "Shift". If that's your answer then that's all you had to say I don't have an agenda. Simply trying to understand your philosophy that you promote.

 

[Work=wins]

"@Shawn mentioned it pages back. Lower open while upper is opposite. Or FYB if you like.

watch the back knee in relation to the front hip. When one releases/pushes the other opens while the hands are still back. For me it’s a release. Others might feel something different. That’s subjective."

Im not trying to be dense, so bear with me LOL

I'm not in disagreement with the bold above. I was just questioning if its "pushing" (Assuming the rear knee is what is pushing against the rear hip) as a active Push in your view or if it was a result. It seems that you are saying its not a action but result. If so what is the mechanism that activates it to happen in the sequence?

Yes, TM is all at once together or even hands first. I could care less about any of that. LOL

I think it can be reactive or active. It all depends on what the hitter knows to be true at the time. The movements we have are shaped on what we we need to do. If we think we need to yank the hips or we think we need to rotate the front hip open early etc etc. for me I would watch the video of a hitter and then ask what they think they need to do and go from there.
Everyone is different. I like the A. Lorenz sequence deliberately w a thought of getting the knee down asap.

The knee getting down is a push from the back foot which pushes the femur into the hip. Squish the bug from a dynamic position basically. I just feel it in my knee. Subjective feel.



if the middle has moved you, it can be reactive. All depends on what you think you need to do.

 

[Work=wins]

I still don't know why you are bringing up anything about TM or TTB. I never asked anything related to him or what he promotes. You posted a clip and and talked about the knee getting through. Whether that is push or release. What have you. You seems to suggest its a result of sequence. That's fine. I simply asked what causes it be initiated in sequence. Then you brought up all the above. Which seems to state that it the result of "Shift". If that's your answer then that's all you had to say I don't have an agenda. Simply trying to understand your philosophy that you promote.

I said ‘just my observations’..

 

[clemenslee1]

I think it can be reactive or active. It all depends on what the hitter knows to be true at the time. The movements we have are shaped on what we we need to do. If we think we need to yank the hips or we think we need to rotate the front hip open early etc etc. for me I would watch the video of a hitter and then ask what they think they need to do and go from there.
Everyone is different. I like the A. Lorenz sequence deliberately w a thought of getting the knee down asap.

The knee getting down is a push from the back foot which pushes the femur into the hip. Squish the bug from a dynamic position basically. I just feel it in my knee. Subjective feel.

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if the middle has moved you, it can be reactive. All depends on what you think you need to do.

Ok, thanks

 

[Work=wins]

What exactly is it that TM teaches that keeps one from getting the COG forward before swinging? I agree HE doesn't..

I truly couldn’t give you a good answer. I don’t know the ins and outs of his system.

 

[_MIA_]

I truly couldn’t give you a good answer. I don’t know the ins and outs of his system.

So you don't actually know it is fatal flaw in his teaching only that he and some of his players don't do it while some do (like you admitted).. .

 

[Work=wins]

So you don't actually know it is fatal flaw in his teaching only that he and some of his players don't do it while some do (like you admitted).. .

I don’t what makes him think you need to stay back. But I know it’s fatal. None of his ‘hitters’ match him.

edit: it’s his ego!! What do I win??