When does the pitch begin?

[Shawn]

So, I’ve heard the pitch does begin or you begin to throw with the arm around 11/12. This saying is often combined with speeding up after 12, having a little hitch. It is also what crow hoppers do. They reset to throw from 12 and on.

Is it true for all pitchers or just what replanters do? Like men replanters, they don’t throw untiln12 and on.

Thoughts?

Resetting and throwing from 12 on is just a sling shot style and you could even say a stepper, throwing after resetting. It’s more sling shot then windmill.

 

[Shawn]

I have a new replanter in my life. Not saying who, Mike can confirm she does reset.

 

[Mike-Coach Q]

Yes I can confirm

 

[_MIA_]

Mike, DFP notary.

 

[ArmWhip]

When targeting just the arm action itself I think there are two basic contributors to pitch velocity, IR and the arm circle itself. Every pitcher uses their own unique mix of these two factors. Some, like Jenny Finch, use more arm circle, with some IR thrown in at the end. She maintains a relatively straight arm from start through release. Others have more flex in the arm and rely more on the whipping action of IR. Crow hoppers or replanters cannot rely on the arm circle for velocity because of the timing pause or delay that the reset requires, so they are IR or whip dependent. As you state, for all practical purposes those pitchers with a substantail replant are sling shotters. But there are plenty of pitchers with a very slight replant that use a lot of arm circle for velocity. Most people don't realize that if you are going to 'convert' to a substantial/meaningful crow hop you are also going to have to make major changes in your arm action/timing.

 

[Shawn]

Turn the front hip pocket toward the target. Clear the hips. Break the throw into slow to quick, two parts. Hips close after release. You throw from 11/12,

 

[sluggers]

When targeting just the arm action itself I think there are two basic contributors to pitch velocity, IR and the arm circle itself. Every pitcher uses their own unique mix of these two factors. Some, like Jenny Finch, use more arm circle, with some IR thrown in at the end. She maintains a relatively straight arm from start through release.

IMHO, Finch is problematic to use for instruction.

Jenny shows HE during her instructional videos. During games, she uses full IR. She sometimes does a "fakey" HE where her arm is in the HE position but the palm is facing the catcher--which means she did IR at release.

I found this video of her "messing around" at a celebrity softball game. Textbook IR delivery.

 

[sluggers]

So, I’ve heard the pitch does begin or you begin to throw with the arm around 11/12. This saying is often combined with speeding up after 12, having a little hitch. It is also what crow hoppers do. They reset to throw from 12 and on.

Is it true for all pitchers or just what replanters do? Like men replanters, they don’t throw untiln12 and on.

Thoughts?

When someone is throwing anything for speed, overhand or underhand, s/he gets into the "K" position. This stretches the body like a bow.

A pitcher can get into the proper K position with slingshot. Back in the day, there were very good pitchers who used slingshot. (E.g., Donna Lopiano threw slingshot.) It's easier to get good leg drive with windmill than slingshot. So people have favored windmill.

The "hitch" you are referring to comes from timing. The body and the arm have to be in synch in order to get the correct kinematic chain for release.

 

[The Man In Blue]

Mike, DFP notary.

How does @Mike-Coach Q feel about the clock?

Umpire/rulebook answer: the pitch begins when the hands separate. But I feel as if that isn't what you were asking.

 

[Shawn]

When someone is throwing anything for speed, overhand or underhand, s/he gets into the "K" position. This stretches the body like a bow.

A pitcher can get into the proper K position with slingshot. Back in the day, there were very good pitchers who used slingshot. (E.g., Donna Lopiano threw slingshot.) It's easier to get good leg drive with windmill than slingshot. So people have favored windmill.

The "hitch" you are referring to comes from timing. The body and the arm have to be in synch in order to get the correct kinematic chain for release.

The man FP pitcher is showing a coil position. They involve the front column and back to twist rearward, it is here that have to reset. There is an momentum problem. They are opening and twisting hard which almost requires one to reset.

Men will hold the opening and open up hard. Which requires a bigger reset.