To be clear, I strongly dislike TM's venomous online persona. I agree with the mechanics, but not the personality. Having my DD work with @Mike-Coach Q gives her the mechanics we agree with, delivered by a kind and skilled instructor. Personally, I think TM's HLP is being instructed better by the "next generation" (guys like Mike) than by TM himself. Teaching effectively is about being able to communicate ideas in ways people can relate to, not just the material.
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To be clear, I strongly dislike TM's venomous online persona. I agree with the mechanics, but not the personality. Having my DD work with @Mike-Coach Q gives her the mechanics we agree with, delivered by a kind and skilled instructor. Personally, I think TM's HLP is being instructed better by the "next generation" (guys like Mike) than by TM himself. Teaching effectively is about being able to communicate ideas in ways people can relate to, not just the material.
They are isolating hands in their demo. I guess we could look at all the things in a demo swing vs a live game swing they aren't doing to determine why the barrel path isn't the same... but I've already done that in this postHate to interrupt your debatebut in the demos, like YOU have said, they are just using their hands and in order to get the correct barrel path YOU have said you need posture etc so wouldn't that mean they are not trying to get the correct barrel path in their demos? If they were they would add in posture,etc....right?
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And then there are some who think “down to” cannot result in the desired barrel path … they continually post gifs of the pros isolating what the hands do and refuse to see the missing ingredients because it doesn’t fit their agenda. Show me where I stated that. I'll wait...
Do you agree or disagree, the resulting barrel path in a demo isolating just hands will be different than a barrel path in a game swing?
Unfortunately DFP is starting to look like BD did back in the TM days...
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I was responding to you saying @FP26 said the Pros don't know what they are doing in the demos when in reality all he said is that they were not trying to get behind and through in the demos...which based upon everything YOU have said is true.They are isolating hands in their demo. I guess we could look at all the things in a demo swing vs a live game swing they aren't doing to determine why the barrel path isn't the same... but I've already done that in this post
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And then there are some who think “down to” cannot result in the desired barrel path … they continually post gifs of the pros isolating what the hands do and refuse to see the missing ingredients because it doesn’t fit their agenda. Show me where I stated that. I'll wait...www.discussfastpitch.com
Do you agree or disagree, the resulting barrel path in a demo isolating just hands will be different than a barrel path in a game swing?
The rest of this crap is old already.
Effective open-minded discussion is difficult when some people are only interested in pushing an agenda or setting traps.
What does it say then... the pros are trying to intentionally mislead us, or are you saying the pros aren't isolating what their hands do?
I'm saying exactly what @pattar is trying to say. That during their demo they are leaving certain things out. And without those things they are not trying to get the barrel "behind and through". There are parts of the swing that they do not include in the demo. I seem to remember you saying that many times. But when I say it, you say I am flip flopping. Please, correct me if I am wrong.
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And right back to square one, this post addresses that, do you agree or disagree?
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And then there are some who think “down to” cannot result in the desired barrel path … they continually post gifs of the pros isolating what the hands do and refuse to see the missing ingredients because it doesn’t fit their agenda. Show me where I stated that. I'll wait...
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"And people say barrel path is not the same in the two swings... I mean isn't it obvious why the barrel doesn't react the same in the demo vs the game swing? Why are people still arguing the demos barrel path doesn't match demo path? Pros are only isolating hands in demos"
Not intentionally. It's tremendously misleading because it's out of context on its own, and far too many people take something like that as being much bigger than it actually is.
