NAIA ruling on Transgender athletes

[Orange Socks]

Go back and watch the Joe Rogan podcast with Riley Gains. Pretty compelling and her parents have to be super proud of the way she handles herself. Well spoken and well beyond her years.

 

[TXJames44]

To say there is no advantage is disingenuous.

This was a huge story a few years ago. Article says it directly impacted and took spots away from at least 85 female athletes. https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/runne...ost-to-trans-athletes-this-is-about-fairness/

Like I always say.....sometimes common sense isn't common.

 

[S Spiff]

I appreciate this thread being allowed to continue. It is complicated, and I am interested to hear how people can think it is fair to allow trans women to compete against cisgender women. I have a hard time seeing it, myself. One reason it is complicated is that people transition at different times of their lives, notably before and after puberty. People going through puberty male get obvious height advantages, other advantages are harder to quantify. If someone gets all the height advantages of being male during puberty, no amount of hormone therapy changes that. I think the new Olympics rule is that you must have transitioned prior to twelve to be allowed to compete.

I think the NAIA rule is a step in the right direction. I don't want to exclude anyone from sports, but cisgender women deserve a place to compete against each other. If it isn't a fair competition, that is not a chance to compete. After we all seem to have agreed that it made sense to have mens' and womens' categories of competition so that women had a chance to compete against genetically similar competitors, it can't be fair to allow athletes to compete with cisgender females when they have some of the genetics advantages that come from being born male.

 

[Bonesaw]

You might want to read the scientific articles. There is no proof *YET* that there is an advantage. There may be proof in the future, but not today.

Implications of gender-affirming endocrine care for sports participation

Many transgender (trans) individuals utilize gender-affirming hormone therapy (GAHT) to promote changes in secondary sex characteristics to affirm their gender. Participation rates of trans people in sport are exceedingly low, yet given high rates of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Say Shaq was a transgender person when he was in college. If you gave 19 y/o Shaquille O'Neal hormones for 1 year at age 20 he would have no advantage over his female competition? Do you really need a scientific study to tell you the answer to that.

 

[schwabach]

I appreciate this thread being allowed to continue. It is complicated, and I am interested to hear how people can think it is fair to allow trans women to compete against cisgender women. I have a hard time seeing it, myself. One reason it is complicated is that people transition at different times of their lives, notably before and after puberty. People going through puberty male get obvious height advantages, other advantages are harder to quantify. If someone gets all the height advantages of being male during puberty, no amount of hormone therapy changes that. I think the new Olympics rule is that you must have transitioned prior to twelve to be allowed to compete.

I think the NAIA rule is a step in the right direction. I don't want to exclude anyone from sports, but cisgender women deserve a place to compete against each other. If it isn't a fair competition, that is not a chance to compete. After we all seem to have agreed that it made sense to have mens' and womens' categories of competition so that women had a chance to compete against genetically similar competitors, it can't be fair to allow athletes to compete with cisgender females when they have some of the genetics advantages that come from being born male.

This is my feeling as well.

Pre-puberty, it doesn't really matter.

Post-puberty, it does. There have been a number of instances of trans women arriving on the scene and completely dominating the competition.

 

[LEsoftballdad]

How absurd has this gotten? Has anyone noticed Game Changer no longer refers to softball players as "she" in the write-up? Now it says "they" instead. My daughter is a singular female, not a they...

 

[4Martini]

How absurd has this gotten? Has anyone noticed Game Changer no longer refers to softball players as "she" in the write-up? Now it says "they" instead. My daughter is a singular female, not a they...

I’m guessing the coding is a lot easier to use they for all sports. Probably some 45 year old guy playing softball got called she and a case of bud didn’t shake the feeling and he demanded a fix - so they changed it for all sports.

 

[Tatonka]

The NAIA ruling is a step in the right direction, the NCAA needs to grow a set and get back to common sense instead of pandering to a very small minority (much like society in general). We should not be afraid to apply common sense to these situations...life isn't fair, never has been and never will. Just because you scream and throw a tantrum doesn't mean you should get your way or everyone else should give up their rights for you. Not all glass ceilings have yet been broken for women in today's world but I am rooting for them to achieve all that they can...to allow biological males (no matter how many treatments or surgeries they have undergone to transition) to take those opportunities away is flat out wrong. I'm sorry if you are suffering but don't inflict your crap on others.

 

[El Oso]

save your ghost in the sky words for someone else

 

[daywalkerdad]

You might want to read the scientific articles. There is no proof *YET* that there is an advantage. There may be proof in the future, but not today.

Implications of gender-affirming endocrine care for sports participation

Many transgender (trans) individuals utilize gender-affirming hormone therapy (GAHT) to promote changes in secondary sex characteristics to affirm their gender. Participation rates of trans people in sport are exceedingly low, yet given high rates of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The article actually provides proof of an advantage.
“A further cross-sectional study examining muscle strength using a hand grip dynamometer in trans women who had completed an average of 14.1 ± 3.5 years GAHT found that, on average, the muscle strength data of trans women fell below that of cisgender men but was significantly greater (16%) than the values of cisgender women. 75 Most studies assessing muscle strength have utilized grip strength which has not been adjusted for hand size”

Adjust for hand size? I can hear coaches now.
Coach “Did you look at the two pitchers this weekend?”
Recruiter “Yes, Mary was throwing 70 with 1500 rpm, Amy 63 with 1300 rpm.”
Coach “Ok but did you adjust for hand size?”
Recruiter “Of coarse that is what really matters. Mary has hands like Kawhi Leonard and Amy has small hands. So when I adjust Mary only throws 64 with 1300 rpm. Amy would throw 67 with 1400 rpm.”
Coach “Great get that offer into Amy. Since we know larger hands helping velocity and spin provides no competitive advantage.”