Swing down

[clemenslee1]

I agree. Hand path and bat path (I call it barrel path) are both important. Some will claim that teaching hand path is enough. That barrel path magically takes care of itself.

Yes. I call it barrel control (which includes both hand and barrel). If you can teach a youth player to control the bat at every step, It will drastically improve their swing.

As a guitar player when I first started to play guitar with lots of distortion, beginners are extremely noisy with feedback and just random noises. My dad said son, you need to learn to control the guitar so its not feeding back every second or making unessecary noise. So I had to learn to control it. Bat control reminds of that. Learn to take control of the bat or instrument.

May be a horrible analogy to some but it clicks in my head LOL

 

[FP26]

Yes that is a little misleading because I contradicted what I said in the opening paragraph... I was just trying to say that I am more focused on what they are saying, doesn't mean I am not interested in what they aren't which TBH should be apparent in the majority of my posts because I keep referring to posture and sequence. In regards to your comments about "very telling", I'm not upset either, but that's horseshit. IDC we can call TTB something else.. but that's what we are all familiar with.

I just thought it was interesting that you selected that specific phrase; TTB. They also don't talk about posture. They also don't talk about FYB. Does that mean that those things are not important? Of course not. If the only thing we are supposed to focus on is "swing down" it kind of throws those other concepts out the window, doesn't it?

 

[julray]

I agree. Hand path and bat path (I call it barrel path) are both important. Some will claim that teaching hand path is enough. That barrel path magically takes care of itself.

The barrel will follow the direction of the hands, which gets released by the hands. If the barrel gets dumped, barrel path will be wrecked

 

[FP26]

The barrel will follow the direction of the hands, which gets released by the hands. If the barrel gets dumped, barrel path will be wrecked

Yep. I don't agree with "dump" either. I think we have been through this before, but that is one of those over exaggerations. People that do not agree with TTB refer to it as dump. People that do not agree with swing down refer to the exaggerated examples of swinging down through contact or trying to hit the ball directly into the ground. Neither of those beliefs are correct. I really do wish we were all mature enough to move past that...

 

[julray]

I just thought it was interesting that you selected that specific phrase; TTB. They also don't talk about posture. They also don't talk about FYB. Does that mean that those things are not important? Of course not. If the only thing we are supposed to focus on is "swing down" it kind of throws those other concepts out the window, doesn't it?

I know you found it interesting, because every time I mention it some people think it's an attack on TM. But I am simply referring to a movement that differs from "down to".

 

[julray]

Yep. I don't agree with "dump" either. I think we have been through this before, but that is one of those over exaggerations. People that do not agree with TTB refer to it as dump. People that do not agree with swing down refer to the exaggerated examples of swinging down through contact or trying to hit the ball directly into the ground. Neither of those beliefs are correct. I really do wish we were all mature enough to move past that...

Now you are saying TTB, LOL.. I was just referring to dumping the barrel. I know TTB does not mean necessarily dumping the barrel. You've must heard me say this before.

 

[jdint]

I'm saying what he is demonstrating in the interview is not TTB.. not the way I understand it. He presets.. gets the barrel on plane(this not a power move) and then takes the knob to the ball, hence why I posted this vid. He doesn't need to preset.. barrel is already on plane. Is he TTB here? Down to is relative to pitch location, JD's preset is relative to pitch location. How much JD's barrel floats down(thanks TDS, using your term here ) is relative to pitch location. JD's barrel floats more on a high pitch.. he's not snapping the barrel rearward.

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Maybe we just understand TTB differently. Although at this point I have no idea what is going on anymore.

 

[FP26]

I know you found it interesting, because every time I mention it some people think it's an attack on TM. But I am simply referring to a movement that differs from "down to".

Frankly, you can attack TM all you want. I just try to keep the conversation as accurate as possible. There are plenty of things that TM teaches that I do not agree with. But some people (not saying you), make inaccurate statements about the concepts. It would be like me stating that julray teaches swing up. I know that isn't true, so why would I say it?

 

[_MIA_]

Although at this point I have no idea what is going on anymore.

 

[clemenslee1]

I know you found it interesting, because every time I mention it some people think it's an attack on TM. But I am simply referring to a movement that differs from "down to".

So are you against any barrel or hand path that strays from "Down to"? Just trying to follow along here.