Opinions on attacking the lead elbow

[RayR]

No - it isn't. In fact - he is not even close...that's why he has to over turn. His shoulder driven barrel path is off plane and he knows it. Why in the world is there this much loop on a high tee?

See any loop here?

How about here?

If that was a real pitch at that height he wouldn't have a chance...

 

[Chris O'Leary]

See any loop here?

Is this a serious question?

There's no loop BECAUSE THE BALL IS AT HER EYE LEVEL.

I'm sorry, but this has gotten both stupid and pointless.

 

[RayR]

It is pointless...thanks for the laugh, though.

Who made these two conflicting statements within the last week?

I prefer to fix adjustability problem first because that requires posture improvements that will produce big carry-overs to power and set the stage for further improvements to the lower body.

You teach the good tee swing first and then you start moving the tee around.

First you have to be able to hit the mistake middle middle then you start working on the edges.

 

[Chris O'Leary]

It is pointless...thanks for the laugh, though.

Who made these two conflicting statements within the last week?

When in doubt, change the subject.

You're taking quotes out of context.

She's not adjusting right, but that's less of an issue, which is why I suggested she just hit off of a tee to control one variable.

 

[RayR]

Hey, you said it was pointless and you still haven't explained why your kid's barrel is looping so much...

And btw, you can claim he is learning to power the swing from his core but he is really just learning how to turn his shoulders - big difference. Using the core requires a kinetic sequence which starts at the ground. He is learning an over the top move...

 

[Chris O'Leary]

Hey, you said it was pointless and you still haven't explained why your kid's barrel is looping so much...

How do you define a loop in the swing?

Is it the bat falling below the hands?

 

[Chris O'Leary]

Hey, you said it was pointless and you still haven't explained why your kid's barrel is looping so much...

Should he do this drill?

 

[tom.guerry]

just focus on the comparison of the HLBB batpath with the double pendulum.

you need the early positive couple at the hinge to prevent the long draggy batpath.

you need to late negative couple to get the right extension sequence with bat lining up and staying lined up with lead forearm instead of flipping around the wrists.

it has NOTHING to do with holding the hinge.

holding the hinge will prevent the running start/positive couple and the swing path can then not be high level.

 

[Chris O'Leary]

just focus on the comparison of the HLBB batpath with the double pendulum.

you need the early positive couple at the hinge to prevent the long draggy batpath.

you need to late negative couple to get the right extension sequence with bat lining up and staying lined up with lead forearm instead of flipping around the wrists.

it has NOTHING to do with holding the hinge.

holding the hinge will prevent the running start/positive couple and the swing path can then not be high level.

Rod Cross's words contradict yours...

The small positive couple required to start the swing of a bat or a club is well known and is commonly described as a consequence of the player cocking the wrists to maintain a fixed angle of about 90° between the implement and the forearms. The couple required to maintain this fixed angle decreases as the bat accelerates, due to the increasing torque resulting from the increasing centripetal force on the bat.

I'm sorry, but I have to trust him over you.

P.S. Here's a different physics professor's explanation of the swing and the hinge angle...

http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~rfs/comas/le...ik/carini.physics.indiana.edu/e105/swing.html

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

just focus on the comparison of the HLBB batpath with the double pendulum.

you need the early positive couple at the hinge to prevent the long draggy batpath.

you need to late negative couple to get the right extension sequence with bat lining up and staying lined up with lead forearm instead of flipping around the wrists.

it has NOTHING to do with holding the hinge.

holding the hinge will prevent the running start/positive couple and the swing path can then not be high level.

Tom, I’m trying to understand your viewpoint here.

It almost sounds like you are advocating "maintaining pressure with the hands" instead of having a goal of "maintaining a hinge angle".

The implication being that if you are moving the body properly, then the goal during the swing should be to get rid of the angles created during the load, and not to have an objective to hold them. It sounds like you are suggesting that a hitter should be using the ground well enough, and moving their body in a proper segmented manner, so that they are creating pressure in the handle of the bat that most people (Bustos may be an exception) aren’t strong enough to overcome. The angle is more an ‘effect’ of retaining pressure on the handle. It isn’t “maintain the hinge angle”, but “maintain pressure on the handle”. The hinge angle is merely a ‘result’. At least this sounds like what you are suggesting.