Told her it could take a year or 2.
Yeah i just didn't want to sound like he was downplaying any d1 pitcher that isn't his and isn't throwing full back spin. Nor was he saying it was ineffective.That's not bad mouthing, that is plain truth.
We'll I'll say this he isn't one that asks her to come back monthly. He'll give feedback and say work on this and master this or don't come back until you have. See you in a few months.hehe, paid instructors
My daughter mentioned Garcia after watching ucla play and he said she throws more of a corkscrew type ball and not true rise.
It took my DD a year and a half before she threw the rise in games, so the fall of 2nd year 12s (when you play 14s). It's now her best pitch and not many can hit it. She learned it from one of the best. PC says you have to throw at least 55 for it to be effective. He prefers a little curve on it, but DD doesn't usually throw it that way.My daughter's pitching coach made a comment about the rise ball the night before this thread started. My dd wants to learn it (10) and asked him to teach her. He was hesitant and told her that's the toughest pitch to learn. He commented that there are only about 7 girls in division 1 right now that can throw a true riseball. He said he could name them all. My daughter mentioned Garcia after watching ucla play and he said she throws more of a corkscrew type ball and not true rise. He mentioned barnhill throwing it correctly. I won't mention his name as he wasn't trying to bad mouth any girl. He was mostly trying to explain to my daughter that it's a tough pitch to learn at any age especially at 10. He made a deal with her, that if she could do one of his drills for it he'd start her on it. Told her it could take a year or 2. She's obsessed with it now. Im just commenting here because of the timing of the discussion.
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i'm a slow pitch pitcher and i use a yawed bullet spin to achieve a slow pitch curve... check this video out and see what you think... this is another way to induce the magnus force... i've posted this in here before but most of you thought i was crazy... i'll leave you to decide for yourself if this answers your question or not... if the spin is directly in line with the direction of the ball then there is no magnus force... but if the spin axis is lower than the direction of travel... then this will 'rise'... in my opinion...
plus you can check out rachel garcia'.s pitches and see how the direction of the yaw determines the direction the magnus force is created...
https://www.discussfastpitch.com/threads/rachel-garcia.34074/