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[Rolling Hard]

So who is going to answer my question.

FFS if you are still out there I would like to discuss from your OP. "Launching the upper back". Does the upper back actively resist rotation and is then launched or released? This is a feeling I incorporate in my golf swing. Back to the target and let lower torso launch upper torso. x factor.


W=W The hands do not go in a straight line.. What a pro says and feels, can and often differs, from what the video shows. Every listen to Albert describe what he is doing during the swing? Not even remotly close to what he really does.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

Yeah I know. But the view I was commenting on was 2d. His hand path surely wasn’t behind and through was it? Nor was his barrel path.

It's never been stated that the hand path should be "behind and through", and Rose's barrel is most certainly entering the zone from "behind" the plate, and most definitely traveling "through" it. What he is not doing is taking the barrel from the top of its "launch position", and head "straight" to the ball with it. If you're unable to see (and admit) to those two things, it's obvious you have other more important agendas to deal with, rather than have an open and honest conversation wrt the swing.

If the pitch is out the hand path is out. If the pitch is in. The path is more in or parallel to the pitch. A to B. It is a straight line relative to the pitch line. Related to the pitch line and parallel. Correct?

I thought you already said that the turn of the body/core directed the bat/barrel to the location of the ball first...if the hands and bat are both supposed to stay "close to the body" according to Ortiz.

https://twitter.com/playball/status/1087745014921416705?s=21

Sounds like bregman agrees. Hand path. Straight. Gets his hands out past the baseball. A to B. Tell Bregman he’s wrong. This is the feeling they have to create their swing. They try to stay as straight as possible. For efficiency and adjustability. I understand it. I agree. I’m trying to help everyone else understand it. I am failing in this respect.

Yes you are, because just like so many of their words, yours aren't matching what we're actually seeing them (the pros) doing at the plate. That's not meant as a knock, because so many of the MLB pros say things that don't match their swing videos...because I personally believe there is a difference between a "feel" which they're trying to describe, and an actual physical movement.

 

[Work=wins]

We must be missing something here, like others said, comments probably got deleted. That's really too bad at the end of the day

He and I were going over a few descriptions that weren’t up to snuff in his mind last night. Which is par for the course around here. Otherwise I can’t recall anything else. I turned in early. I think I put a record amount of posts for 1 day yesterday. Wore me out... that’s a shame. I enjoy his posts.

 

[Buttermaker]

https://youtu.be/PaSboLWHjmI

Not sure if your asking me, but Trouts hands come forward all the time. His hands set at the the guy with the rose colored shirt and come forward in space past the camera man. Probably about 4-5-6 inches in real space. They have to stay back relative to the body not space. Balance, hand path and posture will help him come up through the ball. Not tilting back. Actions not reactions.

Kudos to your players. Hitting is hard.

Honestly cannot see what you are seeing. Hands move barrel arcs back. And Thanks! Hitting is def not easy when you factor in the brutal cold weather we have been playing in.

 

[Work=wins]

It's never been stated that the hand path should be "behind and through", and Rose's barrel is most certainly entering the zone from "behind" the plate, and most definitely traveling "through" it. What he is not doing is taking the barrel from the top of its "launch position", and head "straight" to the ball with it. If you're unable to see (and admit) to those two things, it's obvious you have other more important agendas to deal with, rather than have an open and honest conversation wrt the swing.


I thought you already said that the turn of the body/core directed the bat/barrel to the location of the ball first...if the hands and bat are both supposed to stay "close to the body" according to Ortiz.



Yes you are, because just like so many of their words, yours aren't matching what we're actually seeing them (the pros) doing at the plate. That's not meant as a knock, because so many of the MLB pros say things that don't match their swing videos...because I personally believe there is a difference between a "feel" which they're trying to describe, and an actual physical movement.

First off the hands direct the barrel. The Mass supplies the power. It’s really the shift mixed in with core stretch and momentum. Uncontrolled rotation is the enemy. He wants to stay in a straight line when he hits. Including his hands. Figuratively speaking. He doesn’t want power leaks left or right.

Listen to Bregman again.He states when his load happens. He’s not trying to rotate... so what else is left to power his swing?

 

[Mudders Brudder]

Honestly cannot see what you are seeing. Hands move barrel arcs back. Slow motion analysis really doesn't tell the real story.

Sure it does, look where the barrel enters the from...

(For those having trouble seeing the barrel because of the blur - look at his top hand, and in which direction the handle/bat would be coming out of it - the barrel is still behind his rear knee with the ball in the frame already at the bat boy's front knee. Trout brought the barrel from "behind" the plate/ball so he can hit "through" it.)

 

[Mudders Brudder]

First off the hands direct the barrel.

Yes, multi-directionally - not just the knob forward to the ball - but also getting the barrel coming in from "behind" the plate into the zone (like the Trout still just posted above), and not down over the top of it "directly" to the ball.

The Mass supplies the power. It’s really the shift mixed in with core stretch and momentum. Uncontrolled rotation is the enemy. He wants to stay in a straight line when he hits. Including his hands. Figuratively speaking. He doesn’t want power leaks left or right.

No disagreement here. Don't believe that is mutually exclusive to how the bat/barrel is manipulated to get the correct "barrel path" to power the barrel into the ball at contact with the body's mass momentum.

Listen to Bregman again.He states when his load happens. He’s not trying to rotate... so what else is left to power his swing?

Not sure why or where you're equating not rotating the torso in the load, with rotating it when the hitter turns it forward in the direction of the ball. IOWs, why are you pointing me to Bergman talking about a rearward move, when I thought we were talking about finding direction in a forward one?

 

[Work=wins]

Honestly cannot see what you are seeing. Hands move barrel arcs back. And Thanks! Hitting is def not easy when you factor in the brutal cold weather we have been playing in.

Maybe think of the Mass pulling the hands forward. Nothing should be going back during/after the stride.

 

[Buttermaker]

Maybe think of the Mass pulling the hands forward. Nothing should be going back during/after the stride.

Ok you are talking about stride? And you don't think there is resistance during that move forward? I really don't care if a hitter strides or no strides as long as launch is barrel movement around the hands.

 

[Work=wins]

Yes, multi-directionally - not just the knob forward to the ball - but also getting the barrel coming in from "behind" the plate into the zone (like the Trout still just posted above), and not down over the top of it "directly" to the ball.

No disagreement here. Don't believe that is mutually exclusive to how the bat/barrel is manipulated to get the correct "barrel path" to power the barrel into the ball at contact with the body's mass momentum.

Not sure why or where you're equating not rotating the torso in the load, with rotating it when the hitter turns it forward in the direction of the ball. IOWs, why are you pointing me to Bergman talking about a rearward move, when I thought we were talking about finding direction in a forward one?

You haven’t read any of my posts... but here ya go. The pros stay on top of the ball. So the loop to the ball is as minor as possible(direct) So ‘behind’ won’t cut it. Bregman- he wants his hands traveling high above his chest and the ball.

The mass supplies the power. The hands are ‘live and independent’. They supply the power for the whip of the barrel. 2 independent engines synced.

The body needs to stay straight when rotating to deliver max speed to the ball efficiently. There isn’t any direction taking place with the body. It’s with hands.

Watch the video AGAIN. Bregman says his load is during his stride. Not a negative move or rearward move. He’s speaking of his core.