Um... I don't think you know what "average" means.Skewed toward lower end #'s.
Um... I don't think you know what "average" means.Skewed toward lower end #'s.
That's why they're called averages. You'll have some on the high side, and some on the low side.* and there are pitchers known to throw faster than the high-end averages on this chart even at young ages like previously discussed at 13 years old throwing 61 mph
And @uncdrew dd throwing 56 at 12yrs.
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This is not consistent with what I've seen while using both the Rapsodo and the Pocket Radar set up behind the catcher. Small sample size, of course, but we were seeing the same #s or 1 (and sometimes 2) MPH differences. I am aware that others have said the same as you. Just reporting my experience.The velocity will drop 2-4 mph on the way to the plate.
I know what lower end numbers look like. Those numbers might be average in your neck of the woods.Um... I don't think you know what "average" means.
I know what lower end numbers look like. Those numbers might be average in your neck of the woods.
Are you saying that only California has better developed pitchers?Those are presumably the averages over all “neck of the woods”.. hence the word average without any other qualifiers eg Average for CA pitchers or Average for IL pitchers…
If you had said those are low for CA then you would have (maybe) had a point.
Are you saying that only California has better developed pitchers?
That may have been true years and years ago.
Those low numbers may be only taken from rec ball, middle school and high school but do not think they are reflective of average for at least half of travel ball. (Maybe more)
And even with that there are much higher numbers that are documented that those low numbers seem to be tanked.
That is why posted the numbers I did because think they are truly more accurate of lower-end average and higher-end average.
Think it is a false representation of softball to show only the lowest numbers and call it average.
Also to say those super low numbers are considered rare comes from some person that is not actually watching all of travel ball because they would not have considered it rare when it is very common to throw 65 mph.
Good feedback added!This is example 1,000 of how far the typical poster here skews towards the upper end of TB.
Our 16u "B" team played 36 games last June/July. A mix of tournaments, but played in IL, WI, MI, and MD. In those games, pretty sure we never saw 60MPH. Don't have the radar out all the time, but I would guess the fastest pitchers we saw were upper 50's. The typical starter we faced was probably 49-53 (My daughter throws low 50's, and for speed, she is my baseline for deciding if the pitcher we are facing is "fast" or not.)
Good feedback added!
So you did see upper 50's in 'B' level
That low-end chart said 55 to 57 mph at 16 is rare.
The word 'rare' is inaccurate. (imo)
There is an entire 16u talent division above that.
'A' ball + top tier.
imo this is where it does make a difference what people are familiar with watching that influences perspective. But it's also important to have this discussion because if people think that their daughter 16 throwing 55 to 57 mph and they see a chart that says that is 'rare' then people get an over inflated idea of their own kids talent/ Level.