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marriard

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Oct 2, 2011
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So....
8U (Coach Pitch) 1B, 2B, 3B SS, RF, CF, C, LF
1B is most important - because 9/10 outs are probably there so you absolutely have to have someone who catches the ball. There simply isn't enough plays at C to justify having a good player there. And if you have a player who can make the throw from 3B to 1B on those mis-hit bloopers you have a big plus on most teams and will get a lot of outs most teams can't get. SS is less important because the P is further back and covers a lot of balls that normally go there - I may be overrating SS in 8U to be honest. And LOTS and LOTS of balls go to 2B - second only to the P. RF is more important than CF because there is a LOT of overthrows at 1B

10U: C, 2B, SS, 3B, CF, 1B, RF, LF
First year of drop third strike, bunts and catching wild pitchers, stealing and passed balls. In this age group I'll take a blocker over someone who regularly throws out runners on steals because the pitchers are younger, wilder and the batters have tiny strike zones. SS might be your elite athlete, but 2B is the girl who knows instinctively how to play the game - there is more outs and more plays made at 2B in 10U than at SS and there is lots of coverage decisions to be made. 3B and CF are about equal if I have some speed on the girl in CF - otherwise I sacrifice at 3B before CF. Finding 3 girls who track fly balls well in this division is tough and power it highly erratic so you need some speed to run down the big hits when they happen.

12U: SS, 2B, C, CF, 3B, 1B, RF, LF
Give me a solid catcher and elite SS and 2B and I am good. Love a great catcher, but I can make do with good here. Limit passed balls, throw some runners out and start to call a good game and all is good. CF is covering all sorts of ground. More and more bunting in this division and more pressure on 3B as the P is further back and less able to get to bunts that they might get in 10U. We also start to see more slapping in this division.

14U/HS: C, SS, CF, 2B, 3B, RF, 1B, LF
Getting harder as the ball can and will be hit anywhere. Catcher becomes more important as now you need to throw runners out, run the game, call the game and everything else. SS is still an elite athlete. CF is cheetah-fast or at least gazelle-with-good angles fast.

Catcher is the hardest one to rate because it is a specialist position but often you can make do with just 'good' rather than 'great'. I'd rather have an elite-SS and a good-C than the other way round but the issue is that there is a bigger pool of SS's to pull from.

And in all age divisions - the moment you try and hide someone the ball will find them like a magnet.

Most positions have a profile of the prototypical player you want there. The transition to other positions is not as easy as most coaches think and in a lot of cases it is the player who makes the transition effort themselves to get playing time over any coaching. And some players are just not meant to be at certain positions.

I find a lot of positions do get underrated but I also know that not all coaches are looking up the middle. I was talking to a lower-D1 coach a few weeks ago - she said her program is not likely to get the GOLD or even the top 18U SS/C/CF so she is looking for players who REALLY know how to play their position. She said one girl on her team got an offer from her because she had a big bat and she told her that "For four years, you wont ever have to worry about who will play 1st base because it will be me"

I have seen 3B played by an absolute animal who had played the position since she was 11 (she is now 21) - no way does even an elite SS transition into this girl's level. Not to say the transitioned-SS wont be good - but they wont be this girl. I have also seen a 1B who is probably worth 2-3 extra outs per game over just someone they put there.
 
Jun 27, 2011
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"It depends on the pitcher". In most defensive rankings, the SS would be ranked ahead of 2B in the importance category, but if you have a "flame throwing" pitcher, you will find that 2B probably gets @ 60% of the balls hit to the middle infielders vs. 40% for SS (assuming most batters are hitting from the right side of the plate). Having range at 2B is also more important because of the shorter throw - a good 2B can take more than two steps to her right and still throw most runners out.

Never thought about the range issue. Good point. Of course, the flip side is that the second baseman doesn't need to have an outstanding arm like SS or 3B. That's why I'd still you need a better all-around defender at SS.

Another way to look at this whole debate would be to chart which position makes the most errors. Include passed balls in it. The positions with the most errors probably need the best fielders.
 
Nov 26, 2010
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Michigan
A good catcher is vastly underrated by many. The things a good catcher does well does not look hard, because she makes them look easy. Any bucket dad whose dd throws a wicked drop can tell you about plenty of injuries. But a good catcher makes the block and keeps the ball neatly in front, a good catcher doesn't drop a foul tip that is moving 60 MPH and 1 foot in front of her glove it changes direction. Dropped 3rd strikes? Doesn't happen. A good catcher can walk out to the circle and tell the prima donna there to throw what's called, and she does. A good catcher controls the other teams running game, she keeps the girl at first close to first making it harder to go to third on a single... A great pitcher looks bad with a not so good catcher and a not so good pitcher can look better with a great catcher.

If catcher isn't #2 on every list at every age? I don't understand.
 
Jun 24, 2013
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C is #2 once players can steal home and D3K, before that you can get away with a weak C.

I think 2nd is an interesting position, it seems to be where we play our weakest fielder to give them some infield time.

DD played there quite a bit this year, it is her least favorite position on the field for some reason.
 
May 24, 2013
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So Cal
C is #2 once players can steal home and D3K, before that you can get away with a weak C.

I think 2nd is an interesting position, it seems to be where we play our weakest fielder to give them some infield time.

DD played there quite a bit this year, it is her least favorite position on the field for some reason.

I have to disagree on the value of C at 8U (no D3K, no stealing home). A good catcher puts a dramatic limit on base stealing, turns short bunts into outs, and keeps the pitcher's head in the game. Although it's rare to find an 8U catcher who can reliably make a strong throw to 2B, a good 8U C can cut down runners at 3B with some consistency. With a C who lets a lot of balls get away from her, and is slow to get them, a single becomes a runner on 3rd nearly automatically.

My DD's 8U All-Star team had a 2B with a great glove and head for the game. Having two fast pitchers, she got more action than SS or 3B - by far - and made a big impact in every game. She didn't have a particularly strong arm (her biggest defensive weakness), but it was enough to make good throws to 1B consistently. I wrote 4-3 and F4 in our scorebook an awful lot of times. She also doubled off more runners on caught balls than anyone else.
 
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JJsqueeze

Dad, Husband....legend
Jul 5, 2013
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I'm surprised RF isn't ranked over 3rd base for 8U, it's a lot easier getting an out at first from shallow right than 3rd base. I hide a lot of kids at 3rd at 8U. the right side of the field is more valuable at this level because of the throwing distance and the tendency to swing late. It reverses in 10U though.
 
Aug 4, 2008
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After being in Nationals and learning the hard way, players that can play more than one position. So you have a stud catcher and play 5 games in 86 degree heat. That is the only position she can play , it will kill you unless you carry many players. Players that can only play one position hurt a team.
 
Jun 11, 2013
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Worse than someone who can only play one position is someone that will only play one position. They'll give 100 percent at one and 75 at another if it's not their favorite.
 
May 24, 2013
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So Cal
I'm surprised RF isn't ranked over 3rd base for 8U, it's a lot easier getting an out at first from shallow right than 3rd base. I hide a lot of kids at 3rd at 8U. the right side of the field is more valuable at this level because of the throwing distance and the tendency to swing late. It reverses in 10U though.

From what I saw last season, not very many balls get to RF in 8U. Girls that can hit that far are the better hitters on the team, and are driving the ball up the middle or to the left side. My DD's team made more outs at/from 3B than we had opportunities from RF.
 
Aug 29, 2011
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NorCal
I'm surprised RF isn't ranked over 3rd base for 8U, it's a lot easier getting an out at first from shallow right than 3rd base. I hide a lot of kids at 3rd at 8U. the right side of the field is more valuable at this level because of the throwing distance and the tendency to swing late. It reverses in 10U though.

It is also easier to get a force out at 3B with runners on 1st & 2nd than to throw a runner out from RF at 8U. This summer I think I saw only 2, RF-1B putouts on my DDs 8U team either for or against. I saw a lot of 5 unassisted outs.
 
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