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Hello,

Joining looking for advice as a former pitcher/player of many many years starting out helping a friend's daughter learn to pitch. Turns out a lot can change in the pitching world in a few years!
 

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Hello,

Joining looking for advice as a former pitcher/player of many many years starting out helping a friend's daughter learn to pitch. Turns out a lot can change in the pitching world in a few years!
Welcome! I'm sure you'll find plenty of great information here. Maybe start by checking out the Stickies in the pitching forum.
 
Jan 25, 2022
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Hello,

Joining looking for advice as a former pitcher/player of many many years starting out helping a friend's daughter learn to pitch. Turns out a lot can change in the pitching world in a few years!

You may be aware of all of this, but if not...

Make sure you're aware of the difference between what is traditionally referred to as "hellow elbow" (basically just straight arm release with wrist snap, followed by elbow up after release) vs internal rotation with whip. Many, many, many former pitchers (and especially those who pitched in the 80/90/early 2000's were taught HE mechanics but didn't actually throw that way. No facing the ball backward on the back side of the arm circle. Throw out the straight arm. Don't teach wrist snaps. Ditch the high elbow finish.

If you watch slo-mo of any high level pitcher, you'll see ball up on the backside, elbow bend by 9:00 position at the latest, and whip of the forearm for release. you'll see a high elbow after release (because they were unnecessarily taught that way) sometimes, but before that happens, you'll see the hand turn over as it should.

A brand new student is a great opportunity to teach the best way. Converting one from HE to whip is a challenge. I know from experience.
 
Mar 31, 2024
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1
You may be aware of all of this, but if not...

Make sure you're aware of the difference between what is traditionally referred to as "hellow elbow" (basically just straight arm release with wrist snap, followed by elbow up after release) vs internal rotation with whip. Many, many, many former pitchers (and especially those who pitched in the 80/90/early 2000's were taught HE mechanics but didn't actually throw that way. No facing the ball backward on the back side of the arm circle. Throw out the straight arm. Don't teach wrist snaps. Ditch the high elbow finish.

If you watch slo-mo of any high level pitcher, you'll see ball up on the backside, elbow bend by 9:00 position at the latest, and whip of the forearm for release. you'll see a high elbow after release (because they were unnecessarily taught that way) sometimes, but before that happens, you'll see the hand turn over as it should.

A brand new student is a great opportunity to teach the best way. Converting one from HE to whip is a challenge. I know from experience.
Thank you! I am actually aware of the different techniques and had already been researching and practicing internal rotation drills myself in preparation. We had our first lesson today; she's brand new to pitching with no real solid habits yet so she did take to it pretty well going through drills and reworking the idea of what she felt pitching was supposed to look like. She's only 10u and not quite going to be pitching in games for a while so thankfully I will be able to take my time and work through the mechanics before worrying over the poor habits that can be acquired through in-game pitching too soon. I was most concerned with my own ability to instruct outside of my own realm of knowledge from my lessons growing up, but I'm hopeful as there are far more resources out there now than when I first started my pitching journey.
 
Jan 25, 2022
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Thank you! I am actually aware of the different techniques and had already been researching and practicing internal rotation drills myself in preparation. We had our first lesson today; she's brand new to pitching with no real solid habits yet so she did take to it pretty well going through drills and reworking the idea of what she felt pitching was supposed to look like. She's only 10u and not quite going to be pitching in games for a while so thankfully I will be able to take my time and work through the mechanics before worrying over the poor habits that can be acquired through in-game pitching too soon. I was most concerned with my own ability to instruct outside of my own realm of knowledge from my lessons growing up, but I'm hopeful as there are far more resources out there now than when I first started my pitching journey.
I'm just a pitcher's dad, but I went through the Pauly HPP course and study pitching every day. I can break down a pitch pretty well, but learning how to teach it has been a challenge. Different drills for different kids, habits they've picked up, and their particular anatomy can vary so much. It's crazy how one naturally moves vs another.

My daughter started with an instructor for about a year and a half, and I eventually felt like she wouldn't continue to progress. So I took over for the past year and a half, and she's improved, but I've made some mistakes along the way just simply due to inexperience. She's kinda on the fence about whether she'll play next year (junior season), but if she does, I'm gonna take her to another Pauly certified instructor in the area who has more experience and see if we can make it a team effort. And hopefully I'll learn some things from him. I'd like to keep teaching around here over the years so we have good pitchers coming from this area in the coming years.
 

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