Thoughts on what Gwynn is suggesting.

[Mudders Brudder]

If you mentally or physically ‘take your back hip to the ball’ you’re knee driven as CW said. It’s that simple. Still not sure how you can shoe horn your cue to fit the correct way to use the pelvis.

Nope, not at all, you just don't understand it, and/or know how to teach it...that's all. It's no different than the mental cue of "Hit the top of the ball", or any other "cue" given for that matter, simple by the word's definition.

No one that I know of wants their hitter(s) to actually hit the top of the ball, but rather that it gives the player(s) the mental reminder or encouragement during the swing to "stay on top of the ball" so the their bat/barrel path does comes in behind it, and not swing underneath it as most misses tend to be.

How about "Hands/knob to the ball"? Anyone actually teach hitters to take their hands or the knob of the bat to the ball, or is that just a mental cue to get in their heads a bat/barrel path the coach is looking for?

Same thing as "Hit the ball with your rear hip". No one wants their hitter(s) to actually hit the ball with their rear hip, it's just a very useful mental cue to get kids to stop lagging or dragging their hips (rear hip specifically) in their swings. But rather do as Ted says, to have "the hips lead the way", and as Craig says, that "we want the swing to be pelvic driven"....and not shoulder/arm driven as all to the "top down" swings the kids were showing on that collage posted earlier that prompted this discussion.

 

[jdint]

Nice try. its an indirect pelvic driven approach which CW is talking about. Through the glutes. Has nothing to do w the driving, thrusting, rotating of the pelvis. The ‘swing’ or the contraction of the middle/glutes is what brings all these things forward. Not a back hip or a knee going forward to the ball or plate, pitcher etc.

If you mentally or physically ‘take your back hip to the ball’ you’re knee driven as CW said. It’s that simple. Still not sure how you can shoe horn your cue to fit the correct way to use the pelvis.

What are you considering the hips and pelvis? The hip joint? The pelvic girdle? I would think most people, when saying hips would be talking about the glutes and the muscles that make up the upper "ham string" since this is what actually moves the body. How is this an "indirect pelvic approach?" If you are firing the glutes aren't you firing the hips?

 

[Work=wins]

Nope, not at all, you just don't understand it, and/or know how to teach it...that's all. It's no different than the mental cue of "Hit the top of the ball", or any other "cue" given for that matter, simple by the word's definition.

No one that I know of wants their hitter(s) to actually hit the top of the ball, but rather that it gives the player(s) the mental reminder or encouragement during the swing to "stay on top of the ball" so the their bat/barrel path does comes in behind it, and not swing underneath it as most misses tend to be.

How about "Hands/knob to the ball"? Anyone actually teach hitters to take their hands or the knob of the bat to the ball, or is that just a mental cue to get in their heads a bat/barrel path the coach is looking for?

Same thing as "Hit the ball with your rear hip". No one wants their hitter(s) to actually hit the ball with their rear hip, it's just a very useful mental cue to get kids to stop lagging or dragging their hips (rear hip specifically) in their swings. But rather do as Ted says, to have "the hips lead the way", and as Craig says, that "we want the swing to be pelvic driven"....and not shoulder/arm driven as all to the "top down" swings the kids were showing on that collage posted earlier that prompted this discussion.

again, how does that/your cue create proper pelvic action or reaction in this case? I don’t find any kids having a hard time rotating their hips.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

I can see how that would be misleading.

If you actually tried it, by putting a ball on a tee, getting in your stance, thought about "hitting the ball with your rear hip", and your rear knee turned to the ball before your rear hip did...you'd be the first person (even kids as young as 9) that I've witnessed trying it, to actually do that.

Even the barely athletic, don't try to pull their rear hip front with a leading rear knee, but it sure makes for some good folly for internet hitting discussion.

 

[Work=wins]

What are you considering the hips and pelvis? The hip joint? The pelvic girdle? I would think most people, when saying hips would be talking about the glutes and the muscles that make up the upper "ham string" since this is what actually moves the body. How is this an "indirect pelvic approach?" If you are firing the glutes aren't you firing the hips?

a direct approach would be to rotate the hips to the ball. An indirect approach would be to let the glutes/core extend the hips into the ball. One is quad centric, the other is glute centric. I say indirect mainly bc the timing is later and the force is indirectly applied.

 

[TDS]

Stretch the core against becoming leveraged fyb and let the contraction against both hips extending be the result.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

again, how does that/your cue create proper pelvic action or reaction in this case?

How does any mental cue create any proper physical movement or mechanic when many are contradictory to what actual action a coach is using them for as mentioned in my last post ("hit the top of the ball")?

I don’t find any kids having a hard time rotating their hips.

Then you either don't coach that many kids, or live in Athleticdialand where you've got only good to great athletes that you train.

Let me remind you why I brought it up in the first place....

Unless you think this is good use or rotation of the hips in these hitters, and none of the hitters you coach or coached do this.

 

[Work=wins]

If you actually tried it, by putting a ball on a tee, getting in your stance, thought about "hitting the ball with your rear hip", and your rear knee turned to the ball before your rear hip did...you'd be the first person (even kids as young as 9) that I've witnessed trying it, to actually do that.

Even the barely athletic, don't try to pull their rear hip front with a leading rear knee, but it sure makes for some good folly for internet hitting discussion.

don’t get it.. when I try that I push outta my glute into my quad and extend early. Now if I stay on my back side I get minimal force production w hip rotation. Still spinny though.

 

[Work=wins]

How does any mental cue create any proper physical movement or mechanic when many are contradictory to what actual action a coach is using them for as mentioned in my last post ("hit the top of the ball")?


Then you either don't coach that many kids, or live in Athleticdialand where you've got only good to great athletes that you train.

Let me remind you why I brought it up in the first place....

Unless you think this is good use or rotation of the hips in these hitters, and none of the hitters you coach or coached do this.

loose thoracic and or unstable core. Not a hip issue

 

[Mudders Brudder]

loose thoracic and or unstable core. Not a hip issue

It's a timing issue, not physical issue. No wonder you're lost as to the reason and use of cue.