Forget the legs are anything but anchors when leveraged fyb.. From there its using the middle to swing "down to"
Compared to ABAF where down to creates to steep of barrel path with a rear leg/hip driver.
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Forget the legs are anything but anchors when leveraged fyb.. From there its using the middle to swing "down to"
Compared to ABAF where down to creates to steep of barrel path with a rear leg/hip driver.
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All of that is irrelevant. You keep saying that the "barrel path is down to the plane of the pitch" (with pitch planes being down also), and you're aiming at the "top half of the ball".Forget the legs are anything but anchors when leveraged fyb.. From there its using the middle to swing "down to"
Compared to ABAF where down to creates to steep of barrel path with a rear leg/hip driver.
So I'll ask again, if the "barrel path is down to the plane of the pitch", and you're aiming at "the top half of the ball"...when and how in the swing process, does the "barrel path" miraculously turn up, and not hit the "top half" of the ball?
Subsequently, in all of the supposed "down to" game swing examples of the pros you keep posting; are you really unable to see that they all have the same Ted William's "loop" in them that you so adamantly oppose?
Please highlight or markup the "down to the plane of the pitch" barrel path part of Ted's drawing, or Miggy's swing you just used as an example, so we can all see what it is you're talking about. TIA
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In the “down to” demos the pros are isolating the hands… they are just standing there with their hands already in front of their shoulder displaying what they do with their hands. In a game swing they either start with their hands at their shoulder or move theirs hands back on the forward move. At maximum stretch the hands are behind the rear shoulder. “Down to” from that position with good posture looks much different than it does in a demo where the pro is just standing there isol their hands.
We already established the importance of good posture and sequence and agree it happens… why are we still talking about the bat coming down in front of the shoulder? When somebody can show me a swing with a hitter in good sequence and posture and hands coming down in front of the shoulder we can talk more about this.
It’s one thing when somebody new to the game looks the demo and does not get it, it’s another when somebody with much experience deliberately misinterprets that the pros are only isolating their hands with important components missing from the demo and expecting a game swing barrel path.
All of that is irrelevant. You keep saying that the "barrel path is down to the plane of the pitch" (with pitch planes being down also), and you're aiming at the "top half of the ball".
So I'll ask again, if the "barrel path is down to the plane of the pitch", and you're aiming at "the top half of the ball"...when and how in the swing process, does the "barrel path" miraculously turn up, and not hit the "top half" of the ball?
Subsequently, in all of the supposed "down to" game swing examples of the pros you keep posting; are you really unable to see that they all have the same Ted William's "loop" in them that you so adamantly oppose?
Please highlight or markup the "down to the plane of the pitch" barrel path part of Ted's drawing, or Miggy's swing you just used as an example, so we can all see what it is you're talking about. TIA
I will continue to beat a dead horse in hopes a light bulb moment happens.
None of the pros who speak "down to" want that barrel to loop and come up on the ball.. Its all about hitting the ball on a line from a leveraged position...
Now if your pattern is ABAF one needs to ttb to remove the steep barrel path..
is this above the rear shoulder?
how about this one?
The barrel starts from above the rear shoulder upon swing launch. Staying on top is just barrel control. Too release the barrel when you want, not early or late, but when the hitter needs to. If you’re truly trying to stay through the zone for the longest time, you want the smallest loop possible. To see the ball as long as possible wo committal. Akin to staying inside.
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Yep, same old rerun nothingness, when you now realize that you're completely wrong when you teach, say, or think that any MLB hitter's "barrel path is down to the plane of the pitch", while swinging at the "top half of the ball".I will continue to beat a dead horse in hopes a light bulb moment happens.
None of the pros who speak "down to" want that barrel to loop and come up on the ball.. Its all about hitting the ball on a line from a leveraged position...
Now if your pattern is ABAF one needs to ttb to remove the steep barrel path..
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You stopped the Trout clip too early, but knowing what I do about Trout's swing (and every other MLB hitter), yes, Mike's swing will continue with the barrel coming around from behind him, and traveling below his rear shoulder as it starts forward to the ball.
Trea's barrel path, while blurry, still comes around, and below his rear shoulder on the way to the ball as stated.
I have no disagreement with this statement. The "smallest loop possible" is fine, trying to remove it completely as some here are trying to say HL hitters are trying to do is where the problem(s) start.
@Mudders Brudder ‘On top‘ is ‘inside the ball‘ on the vertical axis. if we come around the ball it’s long. If we come from under the ball it’s long.
Trout launches his barrel from above the shoulder like LC right? At least in this clip?
but MTs spine adjusts, correct?
Trout launches his barrel from above the shoulder like LC right? At least in this clip?
but MTs spine adjusts, correct?
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We're/I'm talking barrel path. Yes, he starts his swing with the barrel above his rear shoulder (frames 7&8), but from there to contact (frames 9-12), his barrel is below his rear shoulder, and enters the zone from behind the plate...even though he makes contact with the ball well out in front of it.
With that, look at the young lady's barrel path, and see how her barrel comes over the top of her rear shoulder, and doesn't enter the zone until the middle of the plate or later...instead of her barrel going under her rear shoulder, and entering the much zone earlier like Trout's...and every other MLB hitter's swing(s).
