Next steps for daughter finishing HS freshman year

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Feb 10, 2018
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My DD is going to a high academic school in the Centennial Conference. She played on a regional team based in the mid-Atlantic. Been to plenty of good, well-known east coast tournaments, but never played west of the Mississippi River.

The most important thing for getting recruited at a high academic school is your daughter’s course load, grades, and test scores. Softball has the potential to help, but schools like C-M aren’t going to recruit people that don’t academically fit there. This is obvious, but I think it can get lost in all the softball recruitment madness. The stronger she is academically, the more options she will have.

I think playing on a regional travel ball team based where your daughter wants to go to school and that plays competitive tournaments in that region is plenty. Joining a better known program from that region (e.g., PA Chaos, NJ Intensity, Empire State Huskies, etc. if the NE) might be advantageous. You can play for a national team and a national schedule if your DD is capable and wants to, but you can easily burn through a chunk of your college tuition doing so. Also not sure if the coaches you might want to play for are going to those national tournaments in CA, CO, etc. Some might, many won’t or can’t. If you play good tournaments in their backyard (e.g., Pennsbury), they are likely to be there. I’ve been to plenty of tournaments in the south where literally ZERO of the schools we were interested in showed up. We took one for the team, so to speak, but I always said to myself, WTF are we doing here, to the tune of a couple thousand dollars for the week.

More important than the showcase tournaments in our experience is building relationships with coaches at those schools that you are interested in and going to camps they host during the fall and winter. This is the most bang for your buck in softball recruitment, in my opinion. The coaches will definitely see you at these camps. It will also get the coach out to see you at the showcase events.

Now being on the other side of it, I have a theory, at least as it involves higher academic schools. For every Tufts, there are many other high academic schools with perhaps less competitive or ambitious softball programs that struggle to recruit players, let alone higher level players. Not only is it challenging to get into the school academically, it turns out that it is not that easy to get girls and their families to commit to paying tuition at a high academic school where the only aid may be needs-based (that is, no athletic money or even “merit scholarships”). The sticker price for all these small, private, high-academic schools is $75-85K/year. Many of these schools and coaches need you as much or more than you need them. It never feels that way going through it, but I am increasingly convinced it is true.
 
May 2, 2022
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My DD is going to a high academic school in the Centennial Conference. She played on a regional team based in the mid-Atlantic. Been to plenty of good, well-known east coast tournaments, but never played west of the Mississippi River.

The most important thing for getting recruited at a high academic school is your daughter’s course load, grades, and test scores. Softball has the potential to help, but schools like C-M aren’t going to recruit people that don’t academically fit there. This is obvious, but I think it can get lost in all the softball recruitment madness. The stronger she is academically, the more options she will have.

I think playing on a regional travel ball team based where your daughter wants to go to school and that plays competitive tournaments in that region is plenty. Joining a better known program from that region (e.g., PA Chaos, NJ Intensity, Empire State Huskies, etc. if the NE) might be advantageous. You can play for a national team and a national schedule if your DD is capable and wants to, but you can easily burn through a chunk of your college tuition doing so. Also not sure if the coaches you might want to play for are going to those national tournaments in CA, CO, etc. Some might, many won’t or can’t. If you play good tournaments in their backyard (e.g., Pennsbury), they are likely to be there. I’ve been to plenty of tournaments in the south where literally ZERO of the schools we were interested in showed up. We took one for the team, so to speak, but I always said to myself, WTF are we doing here, to the tune of a couple thousand dollars for the week.

More important than the showcase tournaments in our experience is building relationships with coaches at those schools that you are interested in and going to camps they host during the fall and winter. This is the most bang for your buck in softball recruitment, in my opinion. The coaches will definitely see you at these camps. It will also get the coach out to see you at the showcase events.

Now being on the other side of it, I have a theory, at least as it involves higher academic schools. For every Tufts, there are many other high academic schools with perhaps less competitive or ambitious softball programs that struggle to recruit players, let alone higher level players. Not only is it challenging to get into the school academically, it turns out that it is not that easy to get girls and their families to commit to paying tuition at a high academic school where the only aid may be needs-based (that is, no athletic money or even “merit scholarships”). The sticker price for all these small, private, high-academic schools is $75-85K/year. Many of these schools and coaches need you as much or more than you need them. It never feels that way going through it, but I am increasingly convinced it is true.
Thanks for the thoughtful post. This is great advice!
 
May 2, 2022
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You are asking yourself a lot of good questions. IMO you need at some point to ‘go for it‘ to improve her chances to play college ball (if that becomes a priority). There are a lot of things you mention that she will have to deal with along the way when leveling up to get to college ball level. Dealing with a lot of failure, coaches that can be harsh or tough in many ways, lacking personal connections from time-to-time, not being a key contributor at times, etc. I would also add, at schools such as Tufts, it is elite d3 (they are currently in Super Regionals). So if this is one dream school, you may want to think ahead about what it may take. They run a great multischool camp in Boston with a bunch of HA schools of all levels that is worth checking out. You will see plenty of talent there- and realize that the vast majority of those campers don’t end up with a spot. That car ride home is another opportunity to have a meaningful conversation about where she wants to take it.

I have a kid playing in college and one committed and regardless of how it shakes out, I suspect everyone’s daughter on this board is better for trying. The journey, not the result is actually the beauty of this sport.
Another great response! This has been an extremely helpful set of posts.

I agree 1000% about the “journey” being a big part of this. She always had raw talent - she played baseball until she was 11 - but it is just in the last, say, 18 months that she has attacked her training. REALLY working with her hitting coach. Doing tons of strength training. That, and the physical changes of going from 13 to 15 (an extra 2-3 inches and 10-15 pounds of muscle) has taken her game to a level where she/we are at the decision point of whether to “go for it” - with the increased time commitments (both during the summer and the off-season) that goes with that.

It is good to hear that most believe a regional team (if she is staying in this geography for college) will probably work - but even the definition of “regional” is up for discussion. Is regional a 200-250 mile radius or a 500-600 mile radius? That makes a difference when you are playing every weekend from Memorial Day to early August.

I like the idea of these camps where she can potentially get exposure.

Lastly, a good point about Tufts. Not surprising that their softball program is so strong. I am hopeful that as we get closer to decision time, there are many potential options for her to choose from. For now, she is trying to stay in the books as well; she understands that schools like Tufts (she wants to be in Boston!) are tough to get into, but the reality (as I have discussed with her) is also that there are a lot of kids who can probably play D1 (non-Power 5) who choose to go the high-academic D3 route, so the more schools she is open to, the better.
 
Feb 1, 2022
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This has been really helpful, so thank you for everyone sharing their experiences so far. My DD is a sophomore, playing for a competitive travel team in the NY metro area. It's not as well known as some of the other big programs around, but we've been largely successful on a regional level and and showed well at events like TC East Coast Nationals. She's been attending college camps for the better part of two years and recently has been having some positive emails with some HA D3 schools. We're definitely concerned about the cost of school. My wife and I are both teachers and do well, but the cost of living in our area is extremely high. We have some money put away for college, but certainly not enough to cover several years of tuition. My biggest concern is finding somewhere she can play that is "high academic" but also a place we don't go broke, or saddle her with a mountain of debt to pay for.
 
May 2, 2022
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This has been really helpful, so thank you for everyone sharing their experiences so far. My DD is a sophomore, playing for a competitive travel team in the NY metro area. It's not as well known as some of the other big programs around, but we've been largely successful on a regional level and and showed well at events like TC East Coast Nationals. She's been attending college camps for the better part of two years and recently has been having some positive emails with some HA D3 schools. We're definitely concerned about the cost of school. My wife and I are both teachers and do well, but the cost of living in our area is extremely high. We have some money put away for college, but certainly not enough to cover several years of tuition. My biggest concern is finding somewhere she can play that is "high academic" but also a place we don't go broke, or saddle her with a mountain of debt to pay for.
A couple of people in this thread have mentioned the Centennial Conference. That is the conference with Haverford, Swarthmore, F&M and other good schools. We are keeping an eye on it because it is our region - although our daughter wants to go to school in a big city (hence her interest in Tufts), and I don't think that Lancaster qualifies!

My older daughter (not softball) applied to Muhlenberg and got a fantastic "merit" scholarship offer (roughly half-tuition); she wound up going to another school in that conference (F&M) with a smaller, but still meaningful, "merit" scholarship offer.

While I know that Muhlenberg isn't on the same plane as a school like Tufts (or some of the better academic schools in the CC), my prior experiences with college has made me less concerned about those differences. I have two older sons - one who went to Villanova and one who went to Duquesne. Both landed on their feet well after college.

Referencing an earlier reply in this thread, one good thing about kids who play high-level travel sports in high school is that they are generally hard workers who know how to allocate their time and get their work in. That is probably one of the most important things that they get out of this life, and one that will serve them well wherever they go to college. I need to remember that lesson as my wife and I work with our daughter to decide next steps here. I don't want her so fixated on Tufts that she isn't open to other schools that will provide here both a great softball experience and a solid education, and I don't want to be so fixated on what school she gets into that we make bad decisions about what travel team she has to play for.
 
Feb 1, 2022
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A couple of people in this thread have mentioned the Centennial Conference. That is the conference with Haverford, Swarthmore, F&M and other good schools. We are keeping an eye on it because it is our region - although our daughter wants to go to school in a big city (hence her interest in Tufts), and I don't think that Lancaster qualifies!

My older daughter (not softball) applied to Muhlenberg and got a fantastic "merit" scholarship offer (roughly half-tuition); she wound up going to another school in that conference (F&M) with a smaller, but still meaningful, "merit" scholarship offer.

While I know that Muhlenberg isn't on the same plane as a school like Tufts (or some of the better academic schools in the CC), my prior experiences with college has made me less concerned about those differences. I have two older sons - one who went to Villanova and one who went to Duquesne. Both landed on their feet well after college.

Referencing an earlier reply in this thread, one good thing about kids who play high-level travel sports in high school is that they are generally hard workers who know how to allocate their time and get their work in. That is probably one of the most important things that they get out of this life, and one that will serve them well wherever they go to college. I need to remember that lesson as my wife and I work with our daughter to decide next steps here. I don't want her so fixated on Tufts that she isn't open to other schools that will provide here both a great softball experience and a solid education, and I don't want to be so fixated on what school she gets into that we make bad decisions about what travel team she has to play for.

I went to Muhlenberg so I know it pretty well. My daughter has been very impressed with Tufts and has been there twice for camps. Great school, great location.
 
May 20, 2015
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i have one, soon to be two, at Simmons - solid academic, solid softball......not quite in Tufts range, but........both played regional, most of their team is in the same boat.......and they both received very, very solid academic packages.....they are both paying +/- 20% of total cost out of pocket

a lot depends on the school........some schools want national level type kids only, there's less risk, more of a finished product......but many like the regional kid out of the NE, there's a little more development necessary, higher risk/reward, but "easier" to get to come play, too
 
May 2, 2022
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I went to Muhlenberg so I know it pretty well. My daughter has been very impressed with Tufts and has been there twice for camps. Great school, great location.
Muhlenberg is a great school; for my older daughter, she just liked the vibe of Lancaster/F&M more. My goal is to have a wide a funnel as possible, but when it comes to a school like Tufts - one that is probably high on a lot of kids’ lists - you probably have to be working every possible angle to have a shot to go there…which is the reason why we are trying to figure out whether it is worth it for her to commit the next 2.5 years to the time and travel required with a higher-profile travel team.
 
May 2, 2022
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i have one, soon to be two, at Simmons - solid academic, solid softball......not quite in Tufts range, but........both played regional, most of their team is in the same boat.......and they both received very, very solid academic packages.....they are both paying +/- 20% of total cost out of pocket

a lot depends on the school........some schools want national level type kids only, there's less risk, more of a finished product......but many like the regional kid out of the NE, there's a little more development necessary, higher risk/reward, but "easier" to get to come play, too
This is a great point. There are a lot of good D3 softball programs where (especially if your kid had the academic profile to think about a school like Tufts) you can get a fantastic “merit aid” package, if the kid (and parents) aren’t hung up on going to the most “elite” school they can.
 
Apr 23, 2023
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This conversation leads back to why ’going for it’ has merit. To have options. To be able to have an easier time weighing schools on varying merits - academic, social fit, financial package, level of sports commitment, etc. A bit more commitment now can yield more options when you know better your desired schools. We know kids playing at every school listed and it‘s a sliding scale of choices and trade-offs. Things become more apparent along the way.

Above, Pennsbury was mentioned. That’s a great one for North East recruiting. New Englands Finest for certain for Boston colleges, TNT, …there are more. Colleges post their recruiting schedules. It seems tough to pay club ball money at the recruiting age for a program that doesn’t go to atleast one recruiting event that matches your goals. I would align my club choice as such. ( rule of thumb- Sophomore and most of Junior year is for D1, Junior year for D3)
 
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