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Nov 8, 2019
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Does a hit ball count towards Hits against a pitcher if the batter gets out?
Like I've seen people saying their kids best inning was 3-5 pitches, but wouldn't that be an inning WHIP of 3?!?

And a Hit Batter is a separate stat, correct? Not as a walk.
 
May 27, 2013
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If the batter gets out on the ball put in play by them, it’s not a hit; unless they try to leg something out that is a true hit and they get thrown out at the next base where they would have been safe if they didn’t try to advance.
 
Nov 26, 2010
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A ball put into play isn’t a hit, unless it’s a hit. So outs and errors do not count against whip and they dont count as a positive towards batting average.
 
Nov 8, 2019
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Glad I asked! Our daughter is 1st year 12u and has a great strike %, but more kids are able to hit off her than our #1 (who has a lower strike %, but pitches 5mph faster). But probably 75% of those hits are weak/infield and results in an out at 1st base or caught ball. My husband thinks that those hits are a bad thing, but I keep telling my daughter that as long as they aren't slugging them to outfield its still good.
 
Nov 26, 2010
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Glad I asked! Our daughter is 1st year 12u and has a great strike %, but more kids are able to hit off her than our #1 (who has a lower strike %, but pitches 5mph faster). But probably 75% of those hits are weak/infield and results in an out at 1st base or caught ball. My husband thinks that those hits are a bad thing, but I keep telling my daughter that as long as they aren't slugging them to outfield its still good.
Those aren’t hits. How many strike outs a game is she averaging? My idea of a perfect inning is 3 pitches all resulting in weak ground balls. Your dd can pitch a whole lot more innings that way, then if she needs 20 pitches an inning to get more strikeouts.
 
Nov 8, 2019
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She sprained her ankle right before season started so has only pitched 4 leave games this season.

Game 1: 61.4% strike percentage, 16 batters faced: 7 strike outs, 1 HBP, 1 walk, 1 drop 3rd, 6 batters hit (5 hit ball but out, 1 hit and got to 1st)

Game 2: 76% strike percent, 11 batters faced: 6 strike outs, 5 batters hit (2 hit but out, 1 hit/on base but later got out stealing, 2 batter hit and got on- resulting in one run.)

Game 3 (in rain): 54% strike percentage, 23 batters faced: 7 strike outs, 8 batters hit (4 got on base, 4 hit but got out) 1 HBP, 7 walks (5 of those 7 on full count)

Game 4 (pitched 2 of 3 innings): 63% strike percentage, 7 batters faced: 3 strike outs, 4 batters hit (3 hit but got out, 1 got on base)

So....looks like a little less than half are strike outs. But since she was injured I don't have many data points for this season yet.
 
Mar 4, 2015
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dropped 3rd is still counted as a strike out for the pitchers stats.

And it's an error on the catcher, and any runs that score as a result are unearned.

Glad I asked! Our daughter is 1st year 12u and has a great strike %, but more kids are able to hit off her than our #1 (who has a lower strike %, but pitches 5mph faster). But probably 75% of those hits are weak/infield and results in an out at 1st base or caught ball. My husband thinks that those hits are a bad thing, but I keep telling my daughter that as long as they aren't slugging them to outfield its still good.

Sounds like your kiddo is doing great. Control is outstanding. But keep in mind that the ideal strike % for a player is not necessarily the highest % possible. A high-level pitcher is capable of throwing 95% strikes, but if batters are hitting half of those pitches over the fence, then the pitcher needs to improve the location of her pitches, which means risking balls and lowering that %. You can have a lower strike % and still have outstanding control. What a particular pitcher's optimum strike % is depends on how good her 'stuff' (ie, speed, movement) is and how good the batter is. If it's a terrible hitter, throw her strikes and don't mess around, as she's not going to hit it. If the hitter is Lauren Chamberlain, DD might not want to throw her any strikes. As for your husband's assessment, I agree w/ you that weak grounders are a good thing, although his hoping for more swings and misses is good too, as the best pitchers tend to get a lot of those. But not always. Some pitchers draw a lot of weak grounders and popups.
 

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