Jayleen - 13yo

BigSkyHi said:

Think you can see their separation by watching the jerseys tighten.

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I dont see the separation. that 's why i ask. I am watching the rear elbow move the same time as the hips do.

pattar said:

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This clip is key. But not for the reasons everyone thinks.

The hip turn here is NOT an action taken, it is a result of:
1. landing on a bent front leg
2. heel dropping/rotating
3. this makes BOTH knees roll over, which turns the hips WITHOUT any effort/muscle/twitching of the hips. (Watch the knees change direction in the above clip, now Dads watch your kid and see if both knees roll over here)

If you are trying to muscle the hips around in this phase, you are doing it wrong.

pattar said:

I don't think focusing on turning the hips is the right approach if that is what you are asking. Get into a good attack position as you move out (hips/shoulders square to the plate or slightly turned toward first for a RH hitter with front shoulder lower than back shoulder..actions to do this will vary based upon setup..)and try and maintain it as long you can while walking away from the hands (the amount will vary Betts and Griffey walk away a bunch) :

Fire your hands when your brain tells you to and I think the separation you are seeing will take care of itself for the most part

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Got it thanks. I think i agree with this. And to me, the firing of the hands is the thing that is missing and becomes drag or casting. Connection to me = active hands = fire your hands.

efastball said:

This clip is key. But not for the reasons everyone thinks.

The hip turn here is NOT an action taken, it is a result of:
1. landing on a bent front leg
2. heel dropping/rotating
3. this makes BOTH knees roll over, which turns the hips WITHOUT any effort/muscle/twitching.

If you are trying to muscle the hips around in this phase, you are doing it wrong.

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So are you saying ER of the front leg, after heel plant is turning the hips? What do you call the rear knee 'roll over'? is that an IR? or with the hips turning, is the rear leg ER'ing?

fanboi22 said:

So are you saying ER of the front leg, after heel plant is turning the hips? What do you call the rear knee 'roll over'? is that an IR? or with the hips turning, is the rear leg ER'ing?

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edit: The ER of the front leg AS the heel goes down.

Like the way this kid talks about the hips going 'forward' due to heel plant movement. Then fire!

BigSkyHi said:

Like the way this kid talks about the hips going 'forward' due to heel plant movement. Then fire!

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I understand the philosophy, but show me where she swings full and actually has that separation. In her drill she actually move her hips back almost to starting point defeating the purpose of the drill. in another video, her rear elbow moves down at the same time as her hips move. Just not seeing the separation.

I dont mind the thought of more 'separation' and not all starting in the same orientation. Meaning i think the ABAF swing. Even if the stride goes out and the hands move back, i just don't see the delay in the top half when everything fires forward. Like the Kvest shows, there is probably some delay in acceleration and rotational velocity, but not a purposeful fire the hips then the upper.

imo hip/shoulder separation isn’t something to strive for. It’s a result and a checkpoint of good sequential loading. the degree of H/S separation can be minimal or maximal. What matters is the closing of the gap of separation at contact.

pattar said:

I don't think focusing on turning the hips is the right approach if that is what you are asking. Get into a good attack position as you move out (hips/shoulders square to the plate or slightly turned toward first for a RH hitter with front shoulder lower than back shoulder..actions to do this will vary based upon setup..)and try and maintain it as long you can while walking away from the hands (the amount will vary Betts and Griffey walk away a bunch) :

Fire your hands when your brain tells you to and I think the separation you are seeing will take care of itself for the most part

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pattar said:

I don't think focusing on turning the hips is the right approach if that is what you are asking. Get into a good attack position as you move out (hips/shoulders square to the plate or slightly turned toward first for a RH hitter with front shoulder lower than back shoulder..actions to do this will vary based upon setup..)and try and maintain it as long you can while walking away from the hands (the amount will vary Betts and Griffey walk away a bunch) :

Fire your hands when your brain tells you to and I think the separation you are seeing will take care of itself for the most part

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Appears the use of the back elbow subtlety creates the separation and the heel plant subtlety starts the acceleration of the hips forward.