Another rant

[Hillhouse]

And to answer an earlier question - natural variation is what separates Simone Biles, Michael Phelps, and Cat Osterman from the rest of us. It may be that her current mechanics confer some advantage. That's not a reason to keep them.

I don't understand this post. Are you saying Cat does different things for different pitches? What kind of "natural variation" are you saying she does?

 

[_MIA_]

I don't understand this post. Are you saying Cat does different things for different pitches? What kind of "natural variation" are you saying she does?

He was agreeing with your point in your OP eg most people won’t be Cat because they don’t have her ability (although you were talking about throwing hard but it probably still applies to her even though she doesn’t throw 70)

 

[JumboJack]

How is that place? I got kicked out for making fun of too many parents...

Lots of complaining about “bad” calls and “Is this obstruction?”


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[Sparky Guy]

by the way, does the riseball really rise? Asking for a friend. Thanks.

I always ask pitchers what make their pitches move. Without exception I always get the same answer. "The spin." They look at me like I have 3 heads when I tell them nope, it's more involved. Then I have them watch the video linked below so they have an understanding of what is happening between their releasing the ball and the plate. So they can understand the physics behind a pitch.

This is a short video the Mythbuster's did about making a pitch curve with the help of a NASA engineer and Roger Clemens. It's a good way to shut up all the doubters. It answers the question about a riseball rising.



I have my own theory as to why hitters see the ball rise.

 

[quincy]

DD very seldom threw a pitch in strike zone.

If she was annoyed she could strike batters out but was not her game. What is going on?

 

[radness]

Advice: Stop with the 2 seam, 4 seam crap. It doesn't alter the mechanics. 2 seam pitches become extremely easy later in life to identify out of the hand by the looser spin. At this age, she's too young to gain any advantage from thinking she's got separate pitches from the simple grip. 2 seam, 4 seam the ball is still being released the same way, no? Then what's she trying to accomplish? Is it hurting her? I don't know. It could if she thinks she has to do wildly different things throwing these different pitches. If so, that's a very different issue. But, this 2 seam 4 seam thing is another avenue to thinking she'll have 9 pitches when it's all said and done. She won't. She'll have 1 pitch she throws 9 different spots. This can be a bear trap, don't fall in.

nice read!
Just adding my .02's
This 2 seam 4 seam grip topic is not the title of pitch.
(not a description of movement on a pitch)

Having shared in conversation with pitchers about what they are trying to produce and hearing pitchers talk with eachother on how they are producing whats intended with-in pitches...

Absolutely will find pitchers may use same grip as another
AND produce a different outcome than another pitcher using same grip.
Because of....
Mechanics!
Just a notable fact from experience.

 

[radness]

as to why hitters see the ball rise.

Because it has upward trajectory.
Leaves the pitchers hand lower than it ends up at the plate.
Pitchers release point lower leg even under knee and pitch ends up at batters shoulders.
That could explain the word because the pitch rose in elevation.

When i played bb everything had a downward trajectory. On a mound throwing down.
(Nothing but a wild pitch over everyones head)
Ends up higher than the pitchers hand release point.
MUCH easier to read pitch locations without UP

Brings up the point how important batting practice is with live underhand pitching release.
Because it is certainly a different visual than a pitch thrown overhand.

 

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[radness]

Ok side arm does it.
Did he also commonly throw locations higher like shoulders and head?

That is certainly a different visual also.

I wouldnt call that overhand.
While there is a distinction on hand being over hand.
Would not call the throw overhand
imo thats Sidearm.

How about you Pattar side arm or??

 

[_MIA_]

Ok side arm does it.
Did he also commonly throw locations higher like shoulders and head?

That is certainly a different visual also.

I wouldnt call that overhand.
While there is a distinction on hand being over hand.
Would not call the throw overhand
imo thats Sidearm.

How about you Pattar side arm or??

You said baseball..

That isn’t even considered sidearm in baseball..usually called submarine..