Once a check swing has been ruled a swing by the plate umpire, can that decision be changed?

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My assumption was that once a check swing has been ruled a swing by the plate umpire, that we could not get them to ask for help on the decision. Is that correct?
 
Jan 11, 2015
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My assumption was that once a check swing has been ruled a swing by the plate umpire, that we could not get them to ask for help on the decision. Is that correct?
That is correct. That is suppose to be how it goes
 
May 29, 2015
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Correct. As an umpire it does bug me, too.

Why do we let the defense ask but not the offense? Why is my angle so much better based on the person asking?

That said, I think the answer is to eliminate the ask altogether. Why do we allow it for this one very specific microscopic instance?

Yes, the plate umpire can deny the request … but not in every code.
 
Aug 25, 2019
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The first time I ever umpired on the bases, I was in the A position (first base line). I'm there thinking of everything I need to do when the batter had a check swing. The plate umpire points down to me and I'm thinking to myself "what's he doing"......He points again and I still stare at him with a dumb look, he finally says "Did she go around" And for a second I still didn't know what he was talking about, then I realized he was asking for a check swing, and I just threw my hands up safe. I didn't know if she did or not since I was thinking of the things I may have to do and wasn't fully focused on the batter, but I had to do something. First and last time I ever messed that one up.
 

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Dec 13, 2019
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Correct. As an umpire it does bug me, too.

Why do we let the defense ask but not the offense? Why is my angle so much better based on the person asking?

That said, I think the answer is to eliminate the ask altogether. Why do we allow it for this one very specific microscopic instance?

Yes, the plate umpire can deny the request … but not in every code.
Geeez just give the Blue a coin to flip and take away the grief factor. ;)
 
May 29, 2015
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The first time I ever umpired on the bases, I was in the A position (first base line). I'm there thinking of everything I need to do when the batter had a check swing. The plate umpire points down to me and I'm thinking to myself "what's he doing"......He points again and I still stare at him with a dumb look, he finally says "Did she go around" And for a second I still didn't know what he was talking about, then I realized he was asking for a check swing, and I just threw my hands up safe. I didn't know if she did or not since I was thinking of the things I may have to do and wasn't fully focused on the batter, but I had to do something. First and last time I ever messed that one up.

My first time was something like that, too. I remember thinking "Did she go? Go where? She's right there!"

Then you have those plate umpires that say "If I go to you, you just give me back what I called." If you don't care what I actually saw, why are you bothering me?
 
Feb 13, 2021
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//sarcasm on// The biggest reason an umpire can't/shouldn't/doesn't check on a check swing strike is this: We don't get paid by the hour, we get paid by the game; why on earth would any umpire want to take a strike OFF the board? //sarcasm off//


Then you have those plate umpires that say "If I go to you, you just give me back what I called." If you don't care what I actually saw, why are you bothering me?
I had a partner many years ago who told me, "If I take my mask off when I go to you, give me what you have. If I leave it on, go with what I called." Sheeesh, if I call it a ball and you saw a strike, call it a darn strike no matter what I called, we get home faster that way (see the first sentence) ((this is more sarcasm, if I come to you and you know I got the call wrong, make the right call))
 
Feb 13, 2021
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More on checked swings:

1) Did the batter break her wrists
2) Did the barrel pass the front edge of the plate
3) can the base umpire see the end cap clearly

None of these determines if it is a checked swing or not, the rule states, did the batter make an attempt to hit the ball.

1) If the bat is off the batter's shoulder, she intended to make an attempt to hit the ball. ((wow, why am I so sarcastic tonight? must have been something that happened at the ball park))
 

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